I've got a Ruger P345 decocker that has never missed a beat. I love a 1911 as much as anybody, but if I had to pick one to carry it would be the 345 every time.
Ruger .45 semi's - any experience?
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Originally Posted By: dtt004
Ruger doesn't make 1911's.
I know. That's why I wrote:
Originally Posted By: Pablo
I have been looking at 1911's. Then dparm's post got me thinking.
Which means I've started to look at alternative .45 ACP's.
Some Ruger's are indeed ugly. But every Ruger I fire is dead nuts accurate.
Ruger doesn't make 1911's.
I know. That's why I wrote:
Originally Posted By: Pablo
I have been looking at 1911's. Then dparm's post got me thinking.
Which means I've started to look at alternative .45 ACP's.
Some Ruger's are indeed ugly. But every Ruger I fire is dead nuts accurate.
Pablo, you should be able to get an entry level 1911 pretty easy for about the price of that Ruger.
My Rock Island tactical (has pseudo Novak sights) was $449. I've seen them for less. The models with GI sights are about $400. Academy is now selling a Umarex 1911 for $449. It seems nice, Umarex contract manufactures for Walther. I've seen that Remington R1 for $649, it's also nice. 1911's are just really nice weapons, even the inexpensive ones.
I've looked at that Ruger you're looking at a few times. Academy sells it for $399 when they have it. It's a nice weapon at a good price; I think you would like a 1911 better, IMO.
My Rock Island tactical (has pseudo Novak sights) was $449. I've seen them for less. The models with GI sights are about $400. Academy is now selling a Umarex 1911 for $449. It seems nice, Umarex contract manufactures for Walther. I've seen that Remington R1 for $649, it's also nice. 1911's are just really nice weapons, even the inexpensive ones.
I've looked at that Ruger you're looking at a few times. Academy sells it for $399 when they have it. It's a nice weapon at a good price; I think you would like a 1911 better, IMO.
Originally Posted By: Win
Pablo, you should be able to get an entry level 1911 pretty easy for about the price of that Ruger.
My Rock Island tactical (has pseudo Novak sights) was $449. I've seen them for less. The models with GI sights are about $400. Academy is now selling a Umarex 1911 for $449. It seems nice, Umarex contract manufactures for Walther. I've seen that Remington R1 for $649, it's also nice. 1911's are just really nice weapons, even the inexpensive ones.
I've looked at that Ruger you're looking at a few times. Academy sells it for $399 when they have it. It's a nice weapon at a good price; I think you would like a 1911 better, IMO.
You really think every single 1911 out there, regardless of how cheap, is as good as the Ruger? I mean Ruger's flat work, every single time, and they're double action which for me anyway is an advantage for a carry gun. If i had to pick between a $400 Ruger and a $400 1911 I would pick the Ruger all day.
Pablo, you should be able to get an entry level 1911 pretty easy for about the price of that Ruger.
My Rock Island tactical (has pseudo Novak sights) was $449. I've seen them for less. The models with GI sights are about $400. Academy is now selling a Umarex 1911 for $449. It seems nice, Umarex contract manufactures for Walther. I've seen that Remington R1 for $649, it's also nice. 1911's are just really nice weapons, even the inexpensive ones.
I've looked at that Ruger you're looking at a few times. Academy sells it for $399 when they have it. It's a nice weapon at a good price; I think you would like a 1911 better, IMO.
You really think every single 1911 out there, regardless of how cheap, is as good as the Ruger? I mean Ruger's flat work, every single time, and they're double action which for me anyway is an advantage for a carry gun. If i had to pick between a $400 Ruger and a $400 1911 I would pick the Ruger all day.
Ahh yes, the "Ruger letter"..well, the way I see it, Bill Ruger has passed and the company has since went the other direction as far as hi cap mags are concerned.
Originally Posted By: jjjxlr8
I could never buy a Ruger firearm and support a company who's leadership (Bill Ruger) supported the 10 round magazine limit and backed the "Assault Weapons Ban."
Shame on Bill Ruger.
Well I don't suppose i can argue with that logic. I still refuse to buy a new S&W revolver because of the lock...
I could never buy a Ruger firearm and support a company who's leadership (Bill Ruger) supported the 10 round magazine limit and backed the "Assault Weapons Ban."
Shame on Bill Ruger.
Well I don't suppose i can argue with that logic. I still refuse to buy a new S&W revolver because of the lock...
When I worked at a range a long time ago, they had a P-85 with over 100K rounds through it with very few problems. It was a little loose but not bad. As far as reliability and "practical" build quality they are just great. Trigger pulls are usually less than desirable.
For me, all of the Ruger P series guns have terrible ergonomics and the magazines, especially the .45, can be a little hard to come by and pricey.
You can find 1911 mags anywhere, as well as parts and people to work on them.
For me, all of the Ruger P series guns have terrible ergonomics and the magazines, especially the .45, can be a little hard to come by and pricey.
You can find 1911 mags anywhere, as well as parts and people to work on them.
With the number of 1911's at the local pawn/gunshops, I'm not sure what the fascination is as so many are getting rid of theirs. And, the quality varies so much that some look like they were machined by monkeys. I'd take either Ruger over a half-arse 1911.
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Originally Posted By: spasm3
The gun was built with 10mm in mind , so if 10mm became a hit, minimal changes would be made on the assembly line to make it 10mm.
Spasm, where did you hear this about 10mm? I hang out at one of the Ruger forums and never heard this so asked and was told a person who worked at Ruger back then and helped develop the P90 says 10mm was never considered, Bill Ruger didn't like the cartridge. Interested if you have a reliable source you can attribute this to? My next handgun is going to be a 10mm and I really like Rugers so this interests me.
jjxlr8, Bill Ruger is long gone, it's a different company now. The SR9 has a *gasp* 17 round mag.
The gun was built with 10mm in mind , so if 10mm became a hit, minimal changes would be made on the assembly line to make it 10mm.
Spasm, where did you hear this about 10mm? I hang out at one of the Ruger forums and never heard this so asked and was told a person who worked at Ruger back then and helped develop the P90 says 10mm was never considered, Bill Ruger didn't like the cartridge. Interested if you have a reliable source you can attribute this to? My next handgun is going to be a 10mm and I really like Rugers so this interests me.
jjxlr8, Bill Ruger is long gone, it's a different company now. The SR9 has a *gasp* 17 round mag.
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Originally Posted By: nwjones18
Originally Posted By: jjjxlr8
I could never buy a Ruger firearm and support a company who's leadership (Bill Ruger) supported the 10 round magazine limit and backed the "Assault Weapons Ban."
Shame on Bill Ruger.
Well I don't suppose i can argue with that logic. I still refuse to buy a new S&W revolver because of the lock...
Yeah, I'll only buy used S&W stuff, but that's for several reasons in addition to the company's recent history. I refuse to own any gun with a lawyer lock. My Springfield came with one and I removed it before it ever fired a shot.
Was just at wal-mart and noticed on the front of Guns & Ammo this month there are three S&W 1911 clones out. I didn't look too closely or read the article, but these look like the real deal. Can't say if they're available for purchase yet.
EDIT: They're out and the prices are ridiculous. I don't know who they think they are charging those kind of prices for a 1911 clone.
Originally Posted By: jjjxlr8
I could never buy a Ruger firearm and support a company who's leadership (Bill Ruger) supported the 10 round magazine limit and backed the "Assault Weapons Ban."
Shame on Bill Ruger.
Well I don't suppose i can argue with that logic. I still refuse to buy a new S&W revolver because of the lock...
Yeah, I'll only buy used S&W stuff, but that's for several reasons in addition to the company's recent history. I refuse to own any gun with a lawyer lock. My Springfield came with one and I removed it before it ever fired a shot.
Was just at wal-mart and noticed on the front of Guns & Ammo this month there are three S&W 1911 clones out. I didn't look too closely or read the article, but these look like the real deal. Can't say if they're available for purchase yet.
EDIT: They're out and the prices are ridiculous. I don't know who they think they are charging those kind of prices for a 1911 clone.
The Smith and Wesson 1911's have been around for years. Well made weapons!
I read it in some article years ago by Massad Ayoob. The closest link i can find is below. Ruger never built it 10mm but i read the p 90 was designed so they could " At the drop of a hat"
http://tripatlas.com/P_Series
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is_11_47/ai_78900522/?tag=content;col1
http://tripatlas.com/P_Series
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is_11_47/ai_78900522/?tag=content;col1
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I don't have a problem with 10-round magazines. Sometimes you have to give a little to keep an industry working. And, concerning the weapons ban, expirable laws are passed to gather data. It was a failure and it expired. Now you have the data to combat useless legislation.
I've purchased 4 new Rugers in the past 2 decades. All are excellent weapons. Wish I could purchase a new Colt Python or Mustang. Ruger didn't abandon the market like Colt did.
I've purchased 4 new Rugers in the past 2 decades. All are excellent weapons. Wish I could purchase a new Colt Python or Mustang. Ruger didn't abandon the market like Colt did.
Originally Posted By: tpitcher
So, which is the best all around 45ACP...??
Come on!
What is the "best" oil?
Depends on what the weapon is going to be used for.
Defense? Home or CCW?
Range use? Target or some type of course? Plinking? And so on.
Many weapons are the "best" to their owner. What you love I may hate. But being close minded on other weapons just because its not a xxxx model or brand Y is too bad for you. I've found brand loyalty to be the worst thing in many category s.
In weapons the best things you can do is rent what interests YOU, ask people that you trust for their opinion and shoot many others. Then you'll find out what is the "best".
Budget also needs to be figured in. I'd much rather see someone spend $400 for a firearm and then have $$ for ammo then spend $800 and not shoot it. The guy with the $400 weapon will be better off. Also I've seen many times the $400 weapon be much more functional than the $800 one.
Take care, Bill
So, which is the best all around 45ACP...??
Come on!
What is the "best" oil?
Depends on what the weapon is going to be used for.
Defense? Home or CCW?
Range use? Target or some type of course? Plinking? And so on.
Many weapons are the "best" to their owner. What you love I may hate. But being close minded on other weapons just because its not a xxxx model or brand Y is too bad for you. I've found brand loyalty to be the worst thing in many category s.
In weapons the best things you can do is rent what interests YOU, ask people that you trust for their opinion and shoot many others. Then you'll find out what is the "best".
Budget also needs to be figured in. I'd much rather see someone spend $400 for a firearm and then have $$ for ammo then spend $800 and not shoot it. The guy with the $400 weapon will be better off. Also I've seen many times the $400 weapon be much more functional than the $800 one.
Take care, Bill
What is the mission? What type of weapon do you like? Poly type? Metal? SA? DAO? Striker? Safeties important? Capacity? (if you live in a "more free" part of the country than others) Do you reload or just buy ammo?
And so on...
(noticed you edited after I posted this so here is the edited version)
Carry with a .45acp has never been my bag. Many other calibers I'd rather (and do) use. Most of the smaller size factor .45acp are not that great for ME.
Target/carry (more open) if you like striker type weapons (every pull of the trigger is the SAME) XD, M&P, Glock and so on. DA/SA the Ruger or CZ are still available new and good to go. SA the 1911 are there and a few good ones for $700.
Go find someone who will let you shoot theirs!
Take care, bill
And so on...
(noticed you edited after I posted this so here is the edited version)
Carry with a .45acp has never been my bag. Many other calibers I'd rather (and do) use. Most of the smaller size factor .45acp are not that great for ME.
Target/carry (more open) if you like striker type weapons (every pull of the trigger is the SAME) XD, M&P, Glock and so on. DA/SA the Ruger or CZ are still available new and good to go. SA the 1911 are there and a few good ones for $700.
Go find someone who will let you shoot theirs!
Take care, bill
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Originally Posted By: unDummy
I don't have a problem with 10-round magazines. Sometimes you have to give a little to keep an industry working. And, concerning the weapons ban, expirable laws are passed to gather data. It was a failure and it expired. Now you have the data to combat useless legislation.
I do have a problem with 10 round magazines or similar restrictions. It's slow erosion of liberty leading to complete restriction, IMO.
Gun grabbers don't care about data unless it supports their goals, unfortunately.
Sorry for getting off the original topic...
I don't have a problem with 10-round magazines. Sometimes you have to give a little to keep an industry working. And, concerning the weapons ban, expirable laws are passed to gather data. It was a failure and it expired. Now you have the data to combat useless legislation.
I do have a problem with 10 round magazines or similar restrictions. It's slow erosion of liberty leading to complete restriction, IMO.
Gun grabbers don't care about data unless it supports their goals, unfortunately.
Sorry for getting off the original topic...
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Originally Posted By: unDummy
I don't have a problem with 10-round magazines. Sometimes you have to give a little to keep an industry working.
With all due respect, you're welcome to 10 round mags. Just buy Cali guns. Problem is, who picked 10 as the acceptable number of rounds? If 10 is good, then why not 8 or 6? Revolvers hold 6 mostly, that should be enough right? We can't let that happen again, can't imagine ever getting full cap mags back again.
I don't have a problem with 10-round magazines. Sometimes you have to give a little to keep an industry working.
With all due respect, you're welcome to 10 round mags. Just buy Cali guns. Problem is, who picked 10 as the acceptable number of rounds? If 10 is good, then why not 8 or 6? Revolvers hold 6 mostly, that should be enough right? We can't let that happen again, can't imagine ever getting full cap mags back again.
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