Ok so Ive been thinking about this a lot. You dont typically see 5qt jugs of motorcycle oil, ever. So cost saving bulk is not going to be an option. Synthetic MC oil is very expensive at $10+ a quart. With Rotella being JASO-MA certified how in the F would anyone not want to use this oil over anything? You can get it in 5qt jugs at a decent price at Walmart and its been more than proven to run well in a motorcycle and is all over the internet how well this oil runs in motorcycles. Other than brand preference is there much of a reason to use any other motorcycle oil over Rotella if your seeking JASO-MA certified oils?
Rotella vs Everything in a MC
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Originally Posted By: yaris0128
...how in the F would anyone not want to use this oil over anything?
Because it's tough to find in 20W-50 and some people don't mind paying $9 qt for an oil that shears a whole lot less. Not everyone has success stories with Rotella.
...how in the F would anyone not want to use this oil over anything?
Because it's tough to find in 20W-50 and some people don't mind paying $9 qt for an oil that shears a whole lot less. Not everyone has success stories with Rotella.
Originally Posted By: yaris0128
Ok so Ive been thinking about this a lot. You dont typically see 5qt jugs of motorcycle oil, ever. So cost saving bulk is not going to be an option. Synthetic MC oil is very expensive at $10+ a quart. With Rotella being JASO-MA certified how in the F would anyone not want to use this oil over anything? You can get it in 5qt jugs at a decent price at Walmart and its been more than proven to run well in a motorcycle and is all over the internet how well this oil runs in motorcycles. Other than brand preference is there much of a reason to use any other motorcycle oil over Rotella if your seeking JASO-MA certified oils?
I got my boss using T6 in his Honda CBR600RR and he loves it. He asked me the exact same question. I have no idea why it isn't more popular. But it comes in a gallon jug not a 5qt container.
Ok so Ive been thinking about this a lot. You dont typically see 5qt jugs of motorcycle oil, ever. So cost saving bulk is not going to be an option. Synthetic MC oil is very expensive at $10+ a quart. With Rotella being JASO-MA certified how in the F would anyone not want to use this oil over anything? You can get it in 5qt jugs at a decent price at Walmart and its been more than proven to run well in a motorcycle and is all over the internet how well this oil runs in motorcycles. Other than brand preference is there much of a reason to use any other motorcycle oil over Rotella if your seeking JASO-MA certified oils?
I got my boss using T6 in his Honda CBR600RR and he loves it. He asked me the exact same question. I have no idea why it isn't more popular. But it comes in a gallon jug not a 5qt container.
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: yaris0128
...how in the F would anyone not want to use this oil over anything?
Because it's tough to find in 20W-50 and some people don't mind paying $9 qt for an oil that shears a whole lot less. Not everyone has success stories with Rotella.
Is Valvoline VR-1 $9 in your town? Oh right, the Synthetic is $8.99 at Autozone and a great MC oil!
Originally Posted By: yaris0128
...how in the F would anyone not want to use this oil over anything?
Because it's tough to find in 20W-50 and some people don't mind paying $9 qt for an oil that shears a whole lot less. Not everyone has success stories with Rotella.
Is Valvoline VR-1 $9 in your town? Oh right, the Synthetic is $8.99 at Autozone and a great MC oil!
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I am using Rotella T-6 in my BF750. Since it is a JASO-MA, I would be hard pressed to use a more expensive oil, but that will depend on the UOA that I have coming up. BF750's are "oil shredders" and I **hope** the T6 is more shear resistant than the Kawasaki 10W-40 I was initially using.
For me, I would also not consider anything more expensive due to the relatively short OCIs that I run in this ATV; it would be a waste. I suppose there are other riders that have a need for something "better" than Rotella, but it likely fits the bill for most.
For me, I would also not consider anything more expensive due to the relatively short OCIs that I run in this ATV; it would be a waste. I suppose there are other riders that have a need for something "better" than Rotella, but it likely fits the bill for most.
I imagine their must be some compromises in the additive package in Rotella compared to true motorcycle oil, as rotella has some limits because its also rated for cars.
I use 5W40 though in pretty much everything though, cars, tractor, atv, small engines. Good cold weather and high temperature performance.
I use 5W40 though in pretty much everything though, cars, tractor, atv, small engines. Good cold weather and high temperature performance.
Originally Posted By: yaris0128
You can get it in 5qt jugs at a decent price at Walmart
As was already pointed out, it's a 4qt jug. It goes for about $21.50 at WM, so that's about $5.35/qt. Often times you can find other synthetic oils on sale which cost about $5/qt or so. For example, many MC owners like to use M1 15w-50. It does not have JASO MA approval though.
I agree that T6 is a good deal if you need synthetic JASO MA approved oil. I personally use the mineral Rotella since I don't put on enough miles in one season to warrant a synthetic and it has been proven that Rotella T 15w40 is actually more shear stable than T6 5w-40.
You can get it in 5qt jugs at a decent price at Walmart
As was already pointed out, it's a 4qt jug. It goes for about $21.50 at WM, so that's about $5.35/qt. Often times you can find other synthetic oils on sale which cost about $5/qt or so. For example, many MC owners like to use M1 15w-50. It does not have JASO MA approval though.
I agree that T6 is a good deal if you need synthetic JASO MA approved oil. I personally use the mineral Rotella since I don't put on enough miles in one season to warrant a synthetic and it has been proven that Rotella T 15w40 is actually more shear stable than T6 5w-40.
Rotella 15w 40w is 77.00 for a case of 6 gallons at my local sams club or about 3.20 a quart. I am seriously considering using it on anything that I own that is air cooled. These motorcycle "specific" oils are way way over priced imo. Not that they are not good but for an anal oil changer I think they are overkill on the wallet.
Its too bad you cant find regular Pennzoil dino in 20w 50w anywhere. I heard that was really good oil of motorcycles. Rotella can be picked up about anywhere and to me makes it attractive along with a decent price.
Its too bad you cant find regular Pennzoil dino in 20w 50w anywhere. I heard that was really good oil of motorcycles. Rotella can be picked up about anywhere and to me makes it attractive along with a decent price.
Because not all of us can use a 40wt motorcycle oil. Some of use have to use a 20w50 or even 10w50.
For instance my owners manual says I need to use a semi or full synthetic 50wt oil or I void my warranty.
Rotella is a good oil for many motorcycle but not all of them.
For instance my owners manual says I need to use a semi or full synthetic 50wt oil or I void my warranty.
Rotella is a good oil for many motorcycle but not all of them.
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Originally Posted By: yaris0128
...how in the F would anyone not want to use this oil over anything?
Because it's tough to find in 20W-50 and some people don't mind paying $9 qt for an oil that shears a whole lot less. Not everyone has success stories with Rotella.
Can you name or show proof of one bad Rotelle story in a bike?
Originally Posted By: yaris0128
...how in the F would anyone not want to use this oil over anything?
Because it's tough to find in 20W-50 and some people don't mind paying $9 qt for an oil that shears a whole lot less. Not everyone has success stories with Rotella.
Can you name or show proof of one bad Rotelle story in a bike?
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Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: yaris0128
...how in the F would anyone not want to use this oil over anything?
Because it's tough to find in 20W-50 and some people don't mind paying $9 qt for an oil that shears a whole lot less. Not everyone has success stories with Rotella.
Can you name or show proof of one bad Rotelle story in a bike?
Yes does it shear more than other oils? Everything I have used so far does shear...but not to the point that alarms me.
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: yaris0128
...how in the F would anyone not want to use this oil over anything?
Because it's tough to find in 20W-50 and some people don't mind paying $9 qt for an oil that shears a whole lot less. Not everyone has success stories with Rotella.
Can you name or show proof of one bad Rotelle story in a bike?
Yes does it shear more than other oils? Everything I have used so far does shear...but not to the point that alarms me.
Originally Posted By: BillyTheKid
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: yaris0128
...how in the F would anyone not want to use this oil over anything?
Because it's tough to find in 20W-50 and some people don't mind paying $9 qt for an oil that shears a whole lot less. Not everyone has success stories with Rotella.
Can you name or show proof of one bad Rotelle story in a bike?
Bad? I didn't write "bad".
A lot of 10W-40's and 5W-40's shear. I won't jump on Rotella too much for that. The problem is in shared systems some gearboxes don't shift or sound so great on the sheared oil - nor does the thin oil protect the gears as well. Just read through the MC and MC UOA's, and watch them for awhile.
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: yaris0128
...how in the F would anyone not want to use this oil over anything?
Because it's tough to find in 20W-50 and some people don't mind paying $9 qt for an oil that shears a whole lot less. Not everyone has success stories with Rotella.
Can you name or show proof of one bad Rotelle story in a bike?
Bad? I didn't write "bad".
A lot of 10W-40's and 5W-40's shear. I won't jump on Rotella too much for that. The problem is in shared systems some gearboxes don't shift or sound so great on the sheared oil - nor does the thin oil protect the gears as well. Just read through the MC and MC UOA's, and watch them for awhile.
I just asked the question, not picking on you or any brand. I just personally have not heard a bad story with rotella. I'm well aware of sheering with the transmission. I just don't see a need or can I justify spending on a boutique oil or a mc specific kind that costs that much. Trust me, my bike would be as hard on oil as any, and so far so good with rotella.
The T5 5w40 Rotella was my fav. Then the T6 came out with less phos and zinc to meet the nazi EPA standards. Shears way too soon and then shifts bad in my bikes. Trying Texas Tea 10/40 M/c oil, so far so good. 2.2k miles, hope it lasts the 4 to 5k I reguire. At 6.60 a quart I have high hopes. The T6 was dumped well before 2k. If it don't shift good it aint for me. Some bikes are more picky about oils than others, some owners are worse....
Originally Posted By: BillyTheKid
I just asked the question, not picking on you or any brand. I just personally have not heard a bad story with rotella. I'm well aware of sheering with the transmission. I just don't see a need or can I justify spending on a boutique oil or a mc specific kind that costs that much. Trust me, my bike would be as hard on oil as any, and so far so good with rotella.
Yeah I know you weren't. There are plenty of good stories, it's what works for you, not just one oil is the best.
I just asked the question, not picking on you or any brand. I just personally have not heard a bad story with rotella. I'm well aware of sheering with the transmission. I just don't see a need or can I justify spending on a boutique oil or a mc specific kind that costs that much. Trust me, my bike would be as hard on oil as any, and so far so good with rotella.
Yeah I know you weren't. There are plenty of good stories, it's what works for you, not just one oil is the best.
Originally Posted By: dr2152
I've used Rotella 5-40 in Harley, Honda, Yamaha, boat, cars, truck, jet skis. Never a problem. My oil temperature on the Harley is lower with Rotella than with Mobile 1 or Amsoil 20-50. Valve train is quieter too.
Try the regular triple T version 15-40
I've used Rotella 5-40 in Harley, Honda, Yamaha, boat, cars, truck, jet skis. Never a problem. My oil temperature on the Harley is lower with Rotella than with Mobile 1 or Amsoil 20-50. Valve train is quieter too.
Try the regular triple T version 15-40
Originally Posted By: dr2152
I've used Rotella 5-40 in Harley, Honda, Yamaha, boat, cars, truck, jet skis. Never a problem. My oil temperature on the Harley is lower with Rotella than with Mobile 1 or Amsoil 20-50.
Xw-40 is thinner at operating temp than Xw-50. This results in less internal friction, and less heat buildup, so that's why your oil temps are lower. No credit to Rotella specifically.
I've used Rotella 5-40 in Harley, Honda, Yamaha, boat, cars, truck, jet skis. Never a problem. My oil temperature on the Harley is lower with Rotella than with Mobile 1 or Amsoil 20-50.
Xw-40 is thinner at operating temp than Xw-50. This results in less internal friction, and less heat buildup, so that's why your oil temps are lower. No credit to Rotella specifically.
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Originally Posted By: dr2152
I've used Rotella 5-40 in Harley, Honda, Yamaha, boat, cars, truck, jet skis. Never a problem. My oil temperature on the Harley is lower with Rotella than with Mobile 1 or Amsoil 20-50.
Xw-40 is thinner at operating temp than Xw-50. This results in less internal friction, and less heat buildup, so that's why your oil temps are lower. No credit to Rotella specifically.
So the engine temperature will be higher with a 40 vs 50w? I'll have to check it as I'm due for an oil change in the Harley so made Mobile 1 15-50 for this one.
Originally Posted By: dr2152
I've used Rotella 5-40 in Harley, Honda, Yamaha, boat, cars, truck, jet skis. Never a problem. My oil temperature on the Harley is lower with Rotella than with Mobile 1 or Amsoil 20-50.
Xw-40 is thinner at operating temp than Xw-50. This results in less internal friction, and less heat buildup, so that's why your oil temps are lower. No credit to Rotella specifically.
So the engine temperature will be higher with a 40 vs 50w? I'll have to check it as I'm due for an oil change in the Harley so made Mobile 1 15-50 for this one.
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