Roofing shingles

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Looking at getting my roof replaced. Doing some research on some roofing forums, looks like some people prefer Certainteed Landmark 30 yr shingles. Others like GAF Timberlines. Most dont care for Owens Corning.

I want to go with a 30yr premium archtecual shingle. Currently have 25 yr 3 tab IKO which are about 15yrs old which came with the house. Not impressed with them, they seem to loose a lot of granuals.

I figured about 23 square area on the house, garage, sunroom and porch.

Just curious if any roofers have any advice. Alot like the Landmarks claiming they are heavier per square and that GAF has cut the weight to save money on the Timberlines.
 
My parents just had their roof replaced. Place was built around 2000. There was a class action lawsuit involving roof shingles that were substandard. Paint was used to color the shingles instead of using colored granuals. Insurance paid for their roof when a storm badly damaged it. The thickness of the old shingle was paper thin compated to the new shingle. The old roof was completely torn off.

Link:

http://consumer.halunenlaw.com/class-act...ofing-shingles/

and:

http://www.diychatroom.com/f9/owens-corning-supreme-ar-25-year-blistered-shingles-179698/
 
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Does your area experience high winds on an occasional basis? Also: do you have tall tree or similar on or close to the roof?

My parent's place have been replaced (from IKO 15 yrs one serviced in the 90s) to BP 45 yr warranty fibre-glassed shingles, for the sake of wind resistance (we seemed to have frequent seasonal (fall, spring) wind gusts that would damage shingles over the past decade) and better quality overall.

My MIL place has GAF Timberlines 45yr shingles, and they are holding up extremely well.

(parent's place have them replaced 4 yrs ago, MIL 3 yrs ago).

My house currently has IKO 25yr old stuff (house is 10 yrs old), avg quality but with me doing regular inspections every summer, they are still holding up ok.

I'd perform yearly inspections (if you are capable, and liable of your own safety) if I were you, just keep an eye on the cracking/curling and adhesive breaking off, etc. and so long as they hold up well , I'd leave them alone until the first signs of visual deterioration before placing them.

The higher warranty life 3-tabs (been told by suppliers and roofers in my area) are made with higher quality (fibreglass layers), more granules and better adhesive, which typically works out to a few dollars more per bundle than the cheepest/lowest grade avail out there, so that extra few dollars are well worth the added peace of mind if freak weather condition happens.

Q.
 
I just replaced ours and the roofer installed Owens Corning. It has more to do with install and less to do with which brand there is. Our's are technically lifetime but lets say 30yrs is more accurate.

We also have a 10yr warranty from the roofer themselves for labor.
 
Just had Timberlines put on in May. They are laying nice and flat after a couple months of sun. Look nice too.
 
I live in Maine.

From the specs of the Landmarks, depending on the grade, they are rated 110to 130 mph,
timberlines are same deal.

I know each, certainteed and GAF/Elk have had class action suits against them.

The Ikos on the house are startign to show there age, I can proably get a few more years but want to get the roof done this year before the snow flies.

Dont have any broken off but on my sunroom which has 3 pitch and pair of skylights, the very first course about the skylights are curling and starting to break apart, note the whole roof on the sunroom was covered with Grace Ice and water so I wont have leaks.

BTW who is BP you mention? 45 yr?

Originally Posted By: Quest
Does your area experience high winds on an occasional basis? Also: do you have tall tree or similar on or close to the roof?

My parent's place have been replaced (from IKO 15 yrs one serviced in the 90s) to BP 45 yr warranty fibre-glassed shingles, for the sake of wind resistance (we seemed to have frequent seasonal (fall, spring) wind gusts that would damage shingles over the past decade) and better quality overall.

My MIL place has GAF Timberlines 45yr shingles, and they are holding up extremely well.

(parent's place have them replaced 4 yrs ago, MIL 3 yrs ago).

My house currently has IKO 25yr old stuff (house is 10 yrs old), avg quality but with me doing regular inspections every summer, they are still holding up ok.

I'd perform yearly inspections (if you are capable, and liable of your own safety) if I were you, just keep an eye on the cracking/curling and adhesive breaking off, etc. and so long as they hold up well , I'd leave them alone until the first signs of visual deterioration before placing them.

The higher warranty life 3-tabs (been told by suppliers and roofers in my area) are made with higher quality (fibreglass layers), more granules and better adhesive, which typically works out to a few dollars per bundle than the cheepest/lowest grade avail out there, so that extra few dollars are well worth the added peace of mind if freak weather condition happens.

Q.
 
Which flavor of timberlines?

Mind me asking what the cost for labor per square was to scrape the roof and then install the shinlges?

I havent gotten quotes yet but from reading I am guessing for a 7 pitch 2 story, simple gable roofs , no valleys with 3 ft Ice and water and some 30 lb felt or deck armor, I guess 80 per sq to scrape and 120 a square for the install of the materials.

I am guessing 8-10K for the roof give or take depending on price of the shingles, which
I am estimating at 120-150 or so per square.

Originally Posted By: Hermann
Just had Timberlines put on in May. They are laying nice and flat after a couple months of sun. Look nice too.
 
They were the 30 year weathered wood. The total price for my half of the duplex was $3250 with all new flashing, vent covers(6), furnace pipe, and sewer vent pipe, and installation of a new skylight. I bought the skylight I wanted and they installed it. I have a very steep front and 1 valley in front. It was taken down to the wood, and new water barrier installed. It also included bird guards that were worn out, and a vent at the peak in front and back under the shingles. All new flashing around the edges, and it extends down into the gutters in the front and back. They did nice work and were done in one day. I had a $300 lower bid from a reputable company. but didn't like the shingles as much(locally made), and the salesperson seemed bored by it all.
 
Dont worry I will go with the new underlayments, seems the OEMs will only warranty if you use their systems.

Originally Posted By: mattwithcats
If you put on a new roof,
Instead of using Tar Paper or felt underneath,
Use GAF Deck Armor or Tiger Paw underlayment material...

The cost for three packages of Tar Paper, 3 square each, was the same as a 10 square roll of Deck Armor...

www.gaf.com/Roofing/Residential/Products/Roof_Deck_Protection

Even my cats have a hard time shredding the leftovers on the roll, tough stuff...
 
Herman

Do you know how square and breakout of labor vs materials?
 
I replaced the roof on my house last Summer...myself. I used CT Landmarks because of the fungus inhibitor, reputation, energy star rating and they had the right color, not necessarily in that order. They weigh about 85#'s/bundle. I think they're lifetime warranty, but don't remember. Heck, even the old cheap 3T's lasted 30 years.

It's amazing how expensive shingles have become. Then again, they're made of asphalt, which comes from oil. Furthermore, they're very heavy so they have to be transported on a big truck, which burns diesel. Makes sense when you think about it.
 
The offical bill of sale only listed 14.1 squares of GAF Timberline Weatered Wood color shingles. It was not broken down into labor and materials. The roofing crew had 10 people and a supervisor who did not leave the scene. Hope this helps, but I was not that detail oriented, as all my bids came in within $500, even from people who I would never let work on my home. And the price did include the new modern underlayment.
 
When my house was reroofed they told me about puting on a class 4 roof. Suppose to be generally rated as a 45 to 50 year shingle. Costs more but with State Farm like I have you get a 30% rate discount on you homeowners insurance and the discount can be transferred to a buyer if they have State Farm also. So it makes for a selling point. It cost me more for the difference, but I get it paid back in about 3 years and the rest of the time is gravy money. Also if you go with a metal roof check to see if you have to sign a waiver for appearance if it is damaged from hail, but doesn't leak.
 
Anyone considered steel roofing? My roof is coming due for replacement, i will probably get a quote for steel too. Anyone here have a few years on one yet?
 
Papa Bear

How much research did you do , or did your roofer recommend them.

I see your in Canada, but any rough price on install and removal?

Per steel, that is an option but I have concerns on how they can flash, I have chimney and skylights.
 
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