Rock Auto? Legit place to buy GM oil filters like PF63? Counterfeit?

[ZeeOSix]

Untrue. If it turns out that the aftermarket part was either defective itself or installed improperly, AND it caused damage to another part that is covered under warranty, only then does the manufacturer have the right to deny coverage for that part. The burden of proof is on the manufacturer.

That's pretty much what I said earlier, more than once (re-read it) - Re: the bold underlined part ^^^.

If an aftermarket oil filter failed and caused the engine to blow-up, the dealership has the right to deny the warranty on the blown-up engine because the root cause was the non-OEM filter. If you were selling cars, would you cover all the damage under warranty done by inferior failing parts being used on the vehicles? I sure wouldn't.

As noted before, if someone uses an non-OEM part, the dealership can not automatically deny or cancel the warranty on the entire car. In other words, if someone is using a Purolator filter, the dealership can't deny warranty on a wheel bearing that went out. But if the oil filter was proven to blow-up the engine, then the dealership can deny the warranty on all the damage that the failed filter caused. As mentioned before, if an oil filter failed and caused damage, it would be pretty easy for the dealership to prove.

 

[Hootbro]

You could go after the oil filter manufacturer legally, if your warranty were denied.
They would have an interest in protecting their product brand.
Modifications on the other hand, are going to be hard to defend.

That is fraught with peril also. Most people do not even know that oil filter manufacturers have their own process and recovery kits to process any claim that their oil filter failed. Once the vehicle owner or shop cuts the filter open, they pretty much voided that process and give the oil filter maker grounds to deny claim and shift blame back on the vehicle owner. When you start dealing with overseas made and off brand oil filters, gets even muddier on who is backing that filter. The Ebay and Amazon third party seller sure is not going to cover it.

 

[Govtman]

Warranties, GM is kinda particular on the oil filter

Our local Wally World has quite a few ACDelco filters.

 

[VersatileGuy]

Untrue. If it turns out that the aftermarket part was either defective itself or installed improperly, AND it caused damage to another part that is covered under warranty, only then does the manufacturer have the right to deny coverage for that part. The burden of proof is on the manufacturer.

Pretty sure insurance of any sort involves the manufacturer being the first fact finder and adjudicator.

And those who wish to claim products liability are the ones who have to prove a defect..and find a willing lawyer.

What exactly are the grounds and source for you to say what you said?

 

[Jeep_Riot]

Shop with confidence. Make sure you use the 5% discount.

 

[64bawagon]

I'll search for your post

In this "engine oil filters" forum under the heading of

Comparing Champ filters to AC Delco (hint, theyre the same)​

 

[garageman402]

I read every comment about warranty claims, & I think everyone missed the point. Most warranties have a statement saying in effect: if a non-covered part fails & causes a covered part to fail, then that covered part is not covered. Filters, belts, hoses, etc are maintenance items, & therefore non-covered parts. I think if your AC Delco filter failed, & they determined that was the cause, then the damage caused by that failure would not be covered. For instance, if a belt broke, causing an overheat that caused damage, that damage would not be covered.

 

[bullwinkle]

Yes you ARE CORRECT,..what you say is true and factual. HOWEVER GM is in a general state of cost cutting and warranty claim costs is something they are trying to reduce. They are looking for "reasons" to deny/delay claims. They are stalling sending out replacement transmissions both 8 speeds and 10 speeds, even though they have plenty for production yet "supply" issues are delaying warranty claims. Same with the 6.2L and 5.3L replacements, magically they don't have any when yours blows....They are looking for reasons beyond what they have done in the past and I have no interest in fighting some kind of battle with GM over whether its a ac delco filter or wix etc...not worth it. I have personally had to fight with them on a warranty item that they denied...eventually approved...took weeks of fighting.

Had hoped GM was better than that. Ford does the same thing…

 

[bullwinkle]

Pretty sure insurance of any sort involves the manufacturer being the first fact finder and adjudicator.

And those who wish to claim products liability are the ones who have to prove a defect..and find a willing lawyer.

What exactly are the grounds and source for you to say what you said?

The Magnuson-Moss warranty act states that if a manufacturer requires OEM/non-aftermarket parts to be used, then the manufacturer has to provide them for free; and, unless an aftermarket part CAUSES a failure, it doesn’t affect the warranty. Unfortunately it’s a “guilty until proven innocent” situation with greedy manufacturers these days!

 

[bullwinkle]

I read every comment about warranty claims, & I think everyone missed the point. Most warranties have a statement saying in effect: if a non-covered part fails & causes a covered part to fail, then that covered part is not covered. Filters, belts, hoses, etc are maintenance items, & therefore non-covered parts. I think if your AC Delco filter failed, & they determined that was the cause, then the damage caused by that failure would not be covered. For instance, if a belt broke, causing an overheat that caused damage, that damage would not be covered.

The way things are going, I’m starting to wonder if a Motorcraft part killed a Ford, or an AC Delco part killed a GM vehicle, that the manufacturers would try to weasel out of warranty somehow! After all, they didn’t “build” the part-just licensed their name…

 

[Hootbro]

The way things are going, I’m starting to wonder if a Motorcraft part killed a Ford, or an AC Delco part killed a GM vehicle, that the manufacturers would try to weasel out of warranty somehow! After all, they didn’t “build” the part-just licensed their name…

I would love to find a first hand documented account of that ever happening and not some internet hearsay or speculation.

The path of least resistance when dealing with a dealership and a warranty claim is a OEM service/repair part bought from a authorised seller. That closes a lot of doors for them to casually try and weasel out of it.

Magnuson Moss Warranty Act gets parroted a lot around here and many other vehicle related forums, but while many if not most are correct in what they say the Act should do, it might as well be written on toilet paper in practice for most lay people.

 

[ZeeOSix]

The way things are going, I’m starting to wonder if a Motorcraft part killed a Ford, or an AC Delco part killed a GM vehicle, that the manufacturers would try to weasel out of warranty somehow! After all, they didn’t “build” the part-just licensed their name…

Even though OEM parts are made by someone else, the seller (ie. Ford, GM, Toyota, Honda, etc) are responsible to ensure those parts are made correctly to their specifications. And they therefore warranty them as a result of that oversight.

 

[ZeeOSix]

I read every comment about warranty claims, & I think everyone missed the point. Most warranties have a statement saying in effect: if a non-covered part fails & causes a covered part to fail, then that covered part is not covered. Filters, belts, hoses, etc are maintenance items, & therefore non-covered parts. I think if your AC Delco filter failed, & they determined that was the cause, then the damage caused by that failure would not be covered. For instance, if a belt broke, causing an overheat that caused damage, that damage would not be covered.

The way things are going, I’m starting to wonder if a Motorcraft part killed a Ford, or an AC Delco part killed a GM vehicle, that the manufacturers would try to weasel out of warranty somehow! After all, they didn’t “build” the part-just licensed their name…

There is a warranty on Ford OEM parts (not sure with other vehicle OEM parts), even if you buy them and install them yourself. So I'd think if an OEM Ford part failed and took out something else as a result, then it would all be covered under warranty if the vehicle still had a full factory warranty. If the vehicle was out of warranty, and the OEM Ford part fails, then they will cover just the part.

 

[garageman402]

There is a warranty on Ford OEM parts (not sure with other vehicle OEM parts), even if you buy them and install them yourself. So I'd think if an OEM Ford part failed and took out something else as a result, then it would all be covered under warranty if the vehicle still had a full factory warranty. If the vehicle was out of warranty, and the OEM Ford part fails, then they will cover just the part.

Do you think the filter, even tho it’s an OEM part, would be considered a maintenance item, & therefore not covered?

 

[Hootbro]

Do you think the filter, even tho it’s an OEM part, would be considered a maintenance item, & therefore not covered?

Unless you are exceeding the service interval or incorrectly installed a OEM maintenance part damaging it, I cannot see a scenario where they would Carte Blanche not cover it.

The whole point of manufacturer's pushing at either dealership service or dealership parts counter sales to the customer of OEM label maintenance parts is that they have the full faith backing of the part and the vehicle they are installed on as if it left the factory built that way.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Do you think the filter, even tho it’s an OEM part, would be considered a maintenance item, & therefore not covered?

I'd think that if an OEM filter was used as recommended per the OM, and it failed and caused engine damage, that any damage would be covered if the vehicle was still under warranty. It might even be covered if the vehicle was out of warranty - like the big name aftermarket filter makers cover. That would be a good question to ask the dealership's service manager.

If the OEM filter is not covered, it might be better to use a big brand name aftermarket filter that has a warranty that covers any damage caused by the filter.

 

[Sayjac]

In my observation, an ACDelco filter from RA are legit ACDelco oil filters. As mentioned in comment (iirc), sometimes the stock manufacture date may not be the most current.

The Magnuson-Moss warranty act states that if a manufacturer requires OEM/non-aftermarket parts to be used, then the manufacturer has to provide them for free; and, unless an aftermarket part CAUSES a failure, it doesn’t affect the warranty. Unfortunately it’s a “guilty until proven innocent” situation with greedy manufacturers these days!

Fwiw, I like that explanation and think similarly. Adding, the burden of proof for warranty denial is 'supposed to be' on the dealer/manufacturer. As a practical application of MM though, when/if it goes to litigation, the deepest pockets wins. That is generally ALL with the manufacturer's side.

That said, 'for me' oil filters and filters in general would be/are at the very bottom of any warranty denial consideration. In decades of diy oil filter use under warranty, with very rare exception, it's been aftermarket all the way.

 

[haggler]

I ordered pf64 acdelco filters from RA and they came loosely thrown in a box with maybe one air bubble pack. At least one was dented, paint chippings everywhere from the cans and they were not individually boxed. I returned them, the only way I would buy from them again for oil filters is If I knew they were individually boxed or bought the whole wholesale pack which is 12 or more filters (not worth it for me). I buy from Amazon for $6 and they come boxed and genuine. Sure cheaper than $12 AutoZone gets.

 

[scip5.3L]

I ordered pf64 acdelco filters from RA and they came loosely thrown in a box with maybe one air bubble pack. At least one was dented, paint chippings everywhere from the cans and they were not individually boxed. I returned them, the only way I would buy from them again for oil filters is If I knew they were individually boxed or bought the whole wholesale pack which is 12 or more filters (not worth it for me). I buy from Amazon for $6 and they come boxed and genuine. Sure cheaper than $12 AutoZone gets.

Yeah after hearing some advise I order led the 12 pack, came in a sealed large box inside of another box, no issues they look great..with RA discount code it works out like $4.30 a filter after tax and shipping charge. I have two vehicles that take the same filter so I will go thru them

 

[ZeeOSix]

I ordered pf64 acdelco filters from RA and they came loosely thrown in a box with maybe one air bubble pack. At least one was dented, paint chippings everywhere from the cans and they were not individually boxed. I returned them …

Then RA put them back on the shelf and sold them again to repeat the same cycle, lol. Wonder how many times some of them have been sold and returned because they were beat up.