Mobil 1 motor oils are 100% synthetic, utilizing the PAO basestock and proprietary blend of additives that is tailored specifically for each viscosity. Mobil does not discuss specifics about our motor oil formulations.
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What do they think the average person is going to do, make a copy of their oil in their basement?
Besides, if someone had the materials, equipment, and knowledge to make their own motor oil, I'm sure they'd copy something a lot better than Mobil 1!!!
$10+ billion dollars says otherwise...
Sorry XOM, not good enough.
They are already very close to losing me as a customer for good. Time to 'fess up!
They are already very close to losing me as a customer for good. Time to 'fess up!
Same response as I posted in the main thread. I pressed for more and got a, "that's all we share with consumers" response. I've got another email out to them (no answer back yet) telling them, in effect, that if they won't be a little more specific, they can count me out as a consumer.
The reputation is theirs to preserve . . . or let be destroyed.
The reputation is theirs to preserve . . . or let be destroyed.
It's like some countries having nukes. They'll neither confirm nor deny
. I don't use M1 (can't remember if I ever have) but for sure I'll pass on it now. I feel as do some others in that it's not about the product's performance.
Its the other oil companies, not the consumers, that Mobil wants to keep their recipe from.
And as to the above statement that:
"Besides, if someone had the materials, equipment, and knowledge to make their own motor oil, I'm sure they'd copy something a lot better than Mobil 1!!!"
I say BALONEY! The UOA's and info posted in the past on BITOG clearly show that Mobil 1 and Mobil 1 EP are two of the best, and many would argue the best, oils on the market.
And as to the above statement that:
"Besides, if someone had the materials, equipment, and knowledge to make their own motor oil, I'm sure they'd copy something a lot better than Mobil 1!!!"
I say BALONEY! The UOA's and info posted in the past on BITOG clearly show that Mobil 1 and Mobil 1 EP are two of the best, and many would argue the best, oils on the market.
Patman
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That's not the opinion that Terry Dyson has expressed on here, and he's seen more UOAs than anyone on the planet.
I agree. I'm no Terry Dyson, but mobil 1 uoa's have always seemed mediocre to me, except in some toyota engines. Even with this in mind, i used Mobil 1 because i thought they used a true synthetic formula.. After learning that this may not be the case.. I'm exploring other options.
Red Line or Motul 300V are looking better to me all the time. I'll cross the Mobil 1 0w-40 off my list.
I received the same response word for word.
Put it this way, if they weren't using any Group III, wouldn't they just come out and say NO!? That is what they used to say. Again, for me it's not about the Group III. It's about misleading the consumer and over charging for a product that should be less expensive.
Put it this way, if they weren't using any Group III, wouldn't they just come out and say NO!? That is what they used to say. Again, for me it's not about the Group III. It's about misleading the consumer and over charging for a product that should be less expensive.
No offense to Terry, but their are a lot of other engineers and chemists that say otherwise. I know most don't take that HT-06 test seriously, but look at the deposit control regular M1 showed vs all the other brands. It's a great oil no matter how you cut it....
I just got back online and the Mobil response is predictable enough. We can assume that it contains some PAO (nice language for CYA) and they arenh't going tro admit that they have backslid to GPR III for whatever reasons.
We have to admit that over the years folmulations keep changing from PAO to group III or better to group III + PAO blends especially in Europe and no company that followed the new path made any announcements about it.
It's just that nobody expected it from mobil , the PAO crusader.
It's just that nobody expected it from mobil , the PAO crusader.
Usually people from a Customer Service are not fully aware of all details of product changes.
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