RedLine users over 100,000 miles

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Okay, another thread led me to again contemplate the wonders of using RedLine oil. We keep seeing conflicting reports. So, who out there has used Redline oil in their engines since the first OEM oil change interval and has at least 100,000 miles on the engine using nothing else but Redline. We have tons of those that have used exclusivley Pennzoil, Amsoil. Mobil 1 etc. Who has used Redline exclusively and gone over 100,000? Let's hear from them?
 
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give me another 80,000 miles..... [Razz] I've been running Redline since 30k miles......54k presently......somehow though, with the amount of boost I'm pushing and racing I'm doing, I doubt the bottom end of the motor will last 100k..... [Burnout]
 

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Originally posted by shortyb: Here is mine with the abbreviated history. 101,060 miles before doing the ARX treatments. RL since the first OCI @ 5K
So, this engine was on Redline for first 101,000 miles, every oil change since the first?. What was your average OCI in these 101,000 miles.??? The UOA only started when you got near the 100,000 mile mark? Hard to tell if the Schaeffers made a diff as you changed so many things for that OCI.
 
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Yep, actually for 96K. First change @ 5K and OCI every 5K thereafter with RL. Started UOAs not too long after finding BITOG and realizing the benefits. I agree that some things were changed but it seemed like such a dramatic difference that I can't help but believe the oil had something to do with it. I will have another UOA with the Shaeffers in a week or so and we'll see what the numbers are then. For now, I'm stickin with the Schaeffers [Smile] [ February 09, 2004, 01:38 PM: Message edited by: shortyb ]
 
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Up until a few months ago I would have said use the oil that shows the lowest wear. But after seeing how many can achieve 300K using dino oil and never doing a UOA and how most wear among all UOA's on here are so close to one another, it becomes aparent to me that it's more important to maybe focus on engine cleanliness. Redline will do a better job of this and also protect engines that are beat to h e l l. I really don't think the miniscule differences we see on here can or will contribute to early engine life. I'd be more concerned about protection during racing or keeping engine deposits to a minimum. Most synthetics will do this though as well. [Smile]
 
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shortyb, have you had to take the valve cover off at all? I am woundering what the inside of the engine looks like? ANy seal leaks? So many things were changed all at once it is hard to figure out what truly caused the bigest improvment. Between different air filter, lube control and different oil it could be any of them or the combination in general!
 

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Spector-"Hast thou so little faith in Redline" [LOL!] .One of the things could be that for every 100 cars that go 100K miles. Probably 90%+ of them have not used the same oil throughout live. And then Redline probably accounts for well under 1% of sales. I would guess its a statistical thing with getting results from a very small community here. [I dont know]
 

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Originally posted by Al: Spector-"Hast thou so little faith in Redline" [LOL!] .One of the things could be that for every 100 cars that go 100K miles. Probably 90%+ of them have not used the same oil throughout live. And then Redline probably accounts for well under 1% of sales. I would guess its a statistical thing with getting results from a very small community here. [I dont know]
Well, what % is Amsoil for example and there are tons of examples of engines going over 100,000 using that. What I am trying to get at basically is that Redline is this vague oil out there that the purists idolize yet in terms of engine longevity where is the proof? So far one person and he may be switching to Schaeffers now!!!!!!!!!! If UOA don't tell the story for all of the reasons promulgated by the Redline enthusiasts then we should at least have long engine life to substantiate the claims of superior protection?
 
Okay, Spector, you found one! My car is a 1997 US-spec Ford Escort wagon with the 2.0-liter SOHC "CVT" engine. I was running dino, typically Citgo, and changing every 3,000 miles until the car had about 110,000 miles. Then I changed to Red Line 10W30 and went to 6,000-mile changes, but with a filter change and top-up at 3,000 miles. The car has 240,000 miles now and I just changed to Red Line 5W40 to try that. So I have 130K on Red Line 10W30. I'm happy. The car uses little or no oil, but around the time I originally switched I had to change the front and rear main crankshaft seals anyway. The oil pan gasket was also seeping and was changed later. Again, the car was doing this on dino already. The valve cover gasket is seeping a little now, and I am preparing to change it as part of the 240K service (which is being done over a few days as I get time and as the weather cooperates). My oil loss rate works out to about a pint every 6K miles, not including the top-up when I change the filter only. I am fairly sure that the loss is through seepage and not through burning the oil--at least not a significant amount. I haven't done any oil analysis. The car runs fine and I have no issues with the way it's running. I will say that Red Line is quite dark by 6K and based on the oil odor by that point it is time to change. This has been true since I first changed to Red Line. I should point out that I have been running a K&N air filter since about the time I changed to Red Line. At about 198,000 miles I installed an aftermarket intake with another K&N air filter. I also use Motorcraft oil filters, as I have tried many brands and these seem to offer the best performance (though I put a NAPA Gold filter in the car this time, since I was buying other parts at NAPA). I use Red Line D4 ATF in the manual transaxle, and it still shifts like new. My driving is about 80% highway, and I put 36,000 miles on the car per year. Too bad I didn't switch to Red Line long before I did.
 

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Originally posted by ekrampitzjr: Too bad I didn't switch to Red Line long before I did.
Why do you say that? It costs you three times as much for a 6000 mile OCI to use the Redline over the dino! You feel it performed better over teh second 100,000 miles?
 
Yes, Spector, I do. What I can see of the valvetrain through the oil fill hole is clean. Red Line did such a good job of flushing when I first switched that the oil filter clogged within 1,000 miles. There's no trace of baked-on oil on the dipstick, which is as shiny as when the car was new. At the same time, I realize that by switching at such a high mileage I probably haven't received--and may never receive--the full benefit of the switch. You have to understand that I did not trust synthetics at all because of my father's bad experiences with M1 in the late 1970s-1980s, and it took a lot of convincing for me to try anything synthetic. That said, I was impressed by Red Line's basic honesty in its website and its staff's willingness to answer arcane questions by e-mail. By nature, I am quite conservative and decided to do no more than double the oil change interval when I switched. So 3K changes became 6K changes. This was in part because of my suspicions about overhyped extended oil change intervals (e.g., Amsoil claiming 25K+ and M1's original 12K claims) and because of research published by SAE and others saying that much over 10K miles (about 16K km) is pushing it for any oil, even the best synthetics. I wanted to maintain a safety margin with the oil. Someone remarked on a thread a few months ago that in their opinion Red Line was probably best changed at between 6K and 9K miles. I concur based on my experience with my car, but again I switched at a rather high mileage. Depending on how well Red Line 5W40 holds up, since I just switched to that viscosity, I may try going to 9K between changes. The specs on that viscosity are sweet, and it's a shame RL didn't make its existence more widely known sooner. Perhaps I'm spending too much on motor oil. But I need my car to hold up for another 3 years due to financial issues, and by changing the oil and filters myself, the cost comes out about the same as paying a shop to change dino oil every 3K as I typically did before. By late 2006-early 2007 at the rate miles are accumulating, I'll have 360K on this car. I'd like to think that Red Line will play a key role in getting there without a lot of trouble. (Also, my running a K&N filter with an aftermarket cold-air intake probably lets a certain amount of dust in that stresses the oil, and RL is probably a better oil to handle that kind of load. But in contrast with other posts in the air filter forums, when I have removed the intake to check, I have found little evidence of dust.) On the next car I get, I intend to switch to RL early--as soon as possible after break-in. Will keep you posted then. Whatever that next car is will probably be similar to this one--i.e., a small wagon with preferably a stickshift. Rumors say that Ford intends to offer a diesel Focus; if true, that will probably be the first choice. [ February 11, 2004, 11:23 AM: Message edited by: ekrampitzjr ]
 
Just changed the valve cover gasket. The valvetrain area and the underside of the valve cover were clean beyond my wildest dreams--every bit as clean as I've ever seen with pictures posted of others' engines using other synthetics. Not bad for 240K miles with 130K of that on RL. Red Line is worth every penny to me.
 
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Originally posted by Tyrolkid: give me another 80,000 miles..... [Razz] I've been running Redline since 30k miles......54k presently......somehow though, with the amount of boost I'm pushing and racing I'm doing, I doubt the bottom end of the motor will last 100k..... [Burnout]
If your entire engine does not last forever, you will have officially made UOA irrelevant...at least to me. Your UOA have been awesome! It should last SEVERAL hundreds of thousands of miles.
 
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Originally posted by JohnBrowning: shortyb, have you had to take the valve cover off at all? I am woundering what the inside of the engine looks like? ANy seal leaks? So many things were changed all at once it is hard to figure out what truly caused the bigest improvment. Between different air filter, lube control and different oil it could be any of them or the combination in general!
JB-I've never had the covers off but looking down the filler neck, it appears extremely clean. I check it each time I fill and you can see quite a bit through the hole too. No leaks at all. Yeah, I did do a few changes. But if it was the combo that gave the results I was looking for, so be it. None of it was difficult or expensive to do. I'm happy [Smile] .
 

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Originally posted by impala6: I've been running Red Line in my '95 Impala SS since new. The first change to Red Line occurred at 2,000 miles. The Impala now has just over 248,000 miles and uses no oil. None. Nunca. Nada.
Nice! Ya gotta love the LT1, it's one durable motor! Even when driven hard they still last a long time. I'm sure your use of the K&N oil filter helps too, as I feel on hard driven cars you're always best to go with an oil filter which flows extremely well. I've been running the K&N oil filters on my 95 Formula for a year now, and my wife's 2000 Civic has used them for a couple of years now.
 
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I've been running Red Line in my '95 Impala SS since new. The first change to Red Line occurred at 2,000 miles. The Impala now has just over 248,000 miles and uses no oil. None. Nunca. Nada. It's been drag-raced, auto-crossed, and taken on innumerable long-distance, high-speed trips, lugged about NYC streets for hours on end, etc., so the engine has certainly been run harder than anything else I've ever owned. I've changed the oil every 3,000 miles - {collective gasp} - and used K&N synthetic oil filters with each change. The change interval probably had more to do with me trying to create good car-ma (get it?) than any true need and, truth be told, I've extended the interval recently to 5k, but most of the changes did occur at 3k. I also used Red Line ATF and it took me 170,000 miles before I broke the original tranny. Apparently, few 4L60E trannies make it that far before failing. What was interesting was how incredibly clean the tranny was - I mean, other than the innumerable pieces of the 2/4 planetary, the rest of the tranny (even the non-metal parts) were pristine. It made a believer out of the tranny guy, that's for sure. Anyway, I hope this information is helpful.
 
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