https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VLMfUz34R0
Pretty interesting and easy to understand....for a simpleton like me.
Pretty interesting and easy to understand....for a simpleton like me.
Redline motor oil....dispelling some myths.
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That video has been referenced on here in the past, the general consensus was that it contained some very good information and was well presented.
I found it gratifying because of the view held by some that redine is not appropriate for a daily driver.
I found it gratifying because of the view held by some that redine is not appropriate for a daily driver.
You can check my used oil analysis. A 4Runner that gets more hard use than any sedan will ever see.
used oil analysis
People tell me Red Line oil is only for racing. They've never used it but they are experts on its failings.
I have another comment about RL products. I use their 2-Stroke racing oil in my 15 year old Echo weed whacker at 50:1 with an ounce per gallon of their PEA gas additive and it still runs like new even though it gets a lot of use trimming around a couple of acres and over 50 rose bushes in pots and lots of trees and other stuff.
I probably pay a bit more for their products but for me it's a bargin.
And don't forget I have an 84 Civic wagon purchased new and used as a daily driver and even though it's a cheap econo box it gets Red Line oil, too. It still passes California smog, get 37-41 mpg and runs like new. I've measured the space with the back seat down and my coffin will just fit. They'll just have to dig the hole a bit bigger.
used oil analysis
People tell me Red Line oil is only for racing. They've never used it but they are experts on its failings.
I have another comment about RL products. I use their 2-Stroke racing oil in my 15 year old Echo weed whacker at 50:1 with an ounce per gallon of their PEA gas additive and it still runs like new even though it gets a lot of use trimming around a couple of acres and over 50 rose bushes in pots and lots of trees and other stuff.
I probably pay a bit more for their products but for me it's a bargin.
And don't forget I have an 84 Civic wagon purchased new and used as a daily driver and even though it's a cheap econo box it gets Red Line oil, too. It still passes California smog, get 37-41 mpg and runs like new. I've measured the space with the back seat down and my coffin will just fit. They'll just have to dig the hole a bit bigger.
Redline oil seems like a bargain on Amazon compared to other group IV or V oils.
Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack
People tell me Red Line oil is only for racing. They've never used it but they are experts on its failings.
Exactly. There are reasons to not choose Red Line, for sure. But to claim that it's a racing oil only is a bit much.
People tell me Red Line oil is only for racing. They've never used it but they are experts on its failings.
Exactly. There are reasons to not choose Red Line, for sure. But to claim that it's a racing oil only is a bit much.
Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack
You can check my used oil analysis. A 4Runner that gets more hard use than any sedan will ever see.
used oil analysis
People tell me Red Line oil is only for racing. They've never used it but they are experts on its failings.
I have another comment about RL products. I use their 2-Stroke racing oil in my 15 year old Echo weed whacker at 50:1 with an ounce per gallon of their PEA gas additive and it still runs like new even though it gets a lot of use trimming around a couple of acres and over 50 rose bushes in pots and lots of trees and other stuff.
I probably pay a bit more for their products but for me it's a bargin.
And don't forget I have an 84 Civic wagon purchased new and used as a daily driver and even though it's a cheap econo box it gets Red Line oil, too. It still passes California smog, get 37-41 mpg and runs like new. I've measured the space with the back seat down and my coffin will just fit. They'll just have to dig the hole a bit bigger.
Ah, I am also one to keep a car a long time and take good care of it.
Unfortunately NY puts so much salt on the roads, most cars are rotted out in 10-15 years.
I sold my 99 Saturn SL2 last year, it was in perfect running order, but the rear suspension mounts were rotted away. The wife bought it in 2003 for $6500 so we got our moneys worth.
Redline is certainly a respectable product. Hated by many on here, as is Amsoil, because it is a premium product sold at a higher price point.
You can check my used oil analysis. A 4Runner that gets more hard use than any sedan will ever see.
used oil analysis
People tell me Red Line oil is only for racing. They've never used it but they are experts on its failings.
I have another comment about RL products. I use their 2-Stroke racing oil in my 15 year old Echo weed whacker at 50:1 with an ounce per gallon of their PEA gas additive and it still runs like new even though it gets a lot of use trimming around a couple of acres and over 50 rose bushes in pots and lots of trees and other stuff.
I probably pay a bit more for their products but for me it's a bargin.
And don't forget I have an 84 Civic wagon purchased new and used as a daily driver and even though it's a cheap econo box it gets Red Line oil, too. It still passes California smog, get 37-41 mpg and runs like new. I've measured the space with the back seat down and my coffin will just fit. They'll just have to dig the hole a bit bigger.
Ah, I am also one to keep a car a long time and take good care of it.
Unfortunately NY puts so much salt on the roads, most cars are rotted out in 10-15 years.
I sold my 99 Saturn SL2 last year, it was in perfect running order, but the rear suspension mounts were rotted away. The wife bought it in 2003 for $6500 so we got our moneys worth.
Redline is certainly a respectable product. Hated by many on here, as is Amsoil, because it is a premium product sold at a higher price point.
I don't think Red Line is hated by anyone here. Amsoil also. But paying for more than you actually need is not a preferred hobby here.
Originally Posted By: cronk
Redline is certainly a respectable product. Hated by many on here, as is Amsoil, because it is a premium product sold at a higher price point.
Why would you think that?
You're a dealer, correct?
Redline is certainly a respectable product. Hated by many on here, as is Amsoil, because it is a premium product sold at a higher price point.
Why would you think that?
You're a dealer, correct?
Any criticism of over priced and over hyped products is considered
hate by those that are loyal to those products-particularly those
caught up in the MLM scheme.
My 2¢
hate by those that are loyal to those products-particularly those
caught up in the MLM scheme.
My 2¢
Originally Posted By: kschachn
Originally Posted By: cronk
Redline is certainly a respectable product. Hated by many on here, as is Amsoil, because it is a premium product sold at a higher price point.
Why would you think that?
You're a dealer, correct?
Yes I am a dealer.
Maybe hated was to strong a word, but it seems every other thread that mentions Amsoil, Redline etc.., ends up with comments like "who would spend the money on that stuff", or "it's not worth the money", or "go buy supertech at Walmart, its just as good". Never any facts posted to to back those claims.
I'm not saying there are not other products out there that are good, I don't even come to this site to push my product or drum up sales, Pablo is the sponsor on this site and I respect him and try not to step on anyones toes.
I came to this site 8 years ago, to learn about engine oil, and I have learned a lot.
I happen to think that products like Amsoil are worth the extra price for the quality of the product.
It frustrates me to no end to see people bash my products because they don't like how its marketed or don't like the price, and they talk down the product based on that and not the actual performance of the product.
Originally Posted By: cronk
Redline is certainly a respectable product. Hated by many on here, as is Amsoil, because it is a premium product sold at a higher price point.
Why would you think that?
You're a dealer, correct?
Yes I am a dealer.
Maybe hated was to strong a word, but it seems every other thread that mentions Amsoil, Redline etc.., ends up with comments like "who would spend the money on that stuff", or "it's not worth the money", or "go buy supertech at Walmart, its just as good". Never any facts posted to to back those claims.
I'm not saying there are not other products out there that are good, I don't even come to this site to push my product or drum up sales, Pablo is the sponsor on this site and I respect him and try not to step on anyones toes.
I came to this site 8 years ago, to learn about engine oil, and I have learned a lot.
I happen to think that products like Amsoil are worth the extra price for the quality of the product.
It frustrates me to no end to see people bash my products because they don't like how its marketed or don't like the price, and they talk down the product based on that and not the actual performance of the product.
I do like Redline oils a lot, I would love to use their motor oils for daily driving, I just can't justify the cost. There are so many LS engines out there with 200k+ miles on them that run like new and have been filled with conventional oils the whole time. After shipping it's nearly 3x the cost of Mobil 1, which is proven to be a very good oil.
For track days, no question, Redline is absolutely the way to go.
For track days, no question, Redline is absolutely the way to go.
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Originally Posted By: Jetronic
I don't think Red Line is hated by anyone here. Amsoil also. But paying for more than you actually need is not a preferred hobby here.
+1
I use Red Line oils where appropriate. And, yes, they do go in some of "race" applications. But maybe so does Motul 300V ester. Never been near Amsoil and see no reason to go there ...
Point being that there are many really good oils. A bunch of so-so ones too. Buy what fits the need...
For most of my engines, I can get 300K miles out of easily acquired oils from the majors. For things like the rear end in the drag car, it Red Line Explosion Proof only. In my buddy's AA alcohol digger it's Red Line by the drum full. Same with the transmissions in the BMW and the Saab, Red Line MTL only.
But since I never buy a car/truck new (since the 1970's anyway...) I don't know what the PO did and see no point in chasing unk engine conditions with Red Line...
I don't think Red Line is hated by anyone here. Amsoil also. But paying for more than you actually need is not a preferred hobby here.
+1
I use Red Line oils where appropriate. And, yes, they do go in some of "race" applications. But maybe so does Motul 300V ester. Never been near Amsoil and see no reason to go there ...
Point being that there are many really good oils. A bunch of so-so ones too. Buy what fits the need...
For most of my engines, I can get 300K miles out of easily acquired oils from the majors. For things like the rear end in the drag car, it Red Line Explosion Proof only. In my buddy's AA alcohol digger it's Red Line by the drum full. Same with the transmissions in the BMW and the Saab, Red Line MTL only.
But since I never buy a car/truck new (since the 1970's anyway...) I don't know what the PO did and see no point in chasing unk engine conditions with Red Line...
Originally Posted By: Bob570
I do like Redline oils a lot, I would love to use their motor oils for daily driving, I just can't justify the cost. There are so many LS engines out there with 200k+ miles on them that run like new and have been filled with conventional oils the whole time. After shipping it's nearly 3x the cost of Mobil 1, which is proven to be a very good oil.
For track days, no question, Redline is absolutely the way to go.
I buy my Red Line products from Fallbrook Oil Company, for just a bit more than ordinary Mobil 1, by the case for 0w30 and no shipping. I run 10K intervals and the small increased cost over any Walmart oil if okay with me. Oil is not a major maintenance expense especially since I do most of my own work. My latest UOA for my 4Runner is a good indicator that everything is working well.
The only other oil I might consider is RLI 0w30 at about $8/quart + shipping
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I've use RLI in other vehicles with great results.
I do like Redline oils a lot, I would love to use their motor oils for daily driving, I just can't justify the cost. There are so many LS engines out there with 200k+ miles on them that run like new and have been filled with conventional oils the whole time. After shipping it's nearly 3x the cost of Mobil 1, which is proven to be a very good oil.
For track days, no question, Redline is absolutely the way to go.
I buy my Red Line products from Fallbrook Oil Company, for just a bit more than ordinary Mobil 1, by the case for 0w30 and no shipping. I run 10K intervals and the small increased cost over any Walmart oil if okay with me. Oil is not a major maintenance expense especially since I do most of my own work. My latest UOA for my 4Runner is a good indicator that everything is working well.
The only other oil I might consider is RLI 0w30 at about $8/quart + shipping
Link
I've use RLI in other vehicles with great results.
Originally Posted By: cronk
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I came to this site 8 years ago, to learn about engine oil, and I have learned a lot.
I happen to think that products like Amsoil are worth the extra price for the quality of the product.
It frustrates me to no end to see people bash my products because they don't like how its marketed or don't like the price, and they talk down the product based on that and not the actual performance of the product.
Well said sir...I don't like WM, but that's no reason to bash the oils that are sold there.
Each oil should be taken on the merits of the oil itself, not in how it is sold or marketed.
Price point is something that each person must decide for themselves. Some are happy paying the minimum for their oil and following OLM. Some prefer to do a used oil analysis and some do not. It's all the infinite variety that keeps us arguing about oil minutiae.
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I came to this site 8 years ago, to learn about engine oil, and I have learned a lot.
I happen to think that products like Amsoil are worth the extra price for the quality of the product.
It frustrates me to no end to see people bash my products because they don't like how its marketed or don't like the price, and they talk down the product based on that and not the actual performance of the product.
Well said sir...I don't like WM, but that's no reason to bash the oils that are sold there.
Each oil should be taken on the merits of the oil itself, not in how it is sold or marketed.
Price point is something that each person must decide for themselves. Some are happy paying the minimum for their oil and following OLM. Some prefer to do a used oil analysis and some do not. It's all the infinite variety that keeps us arguing about oil minutiae.
For those that don't know (there always seems to be some confusion)....Redline makes both race AND street oils. You would not use the race oil in a street application. I'm back to using RL 0-40 in everything, all the time. I had used 5-40 Motul for a few changes in one vehicle and, although I did not test it, I felt that it was thinning rather quickly over time.
Originally Posted By: Kuato
Originally Posted By: cronk
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I came to this site 8 years ago, to learn about engine oil, and I have learned a lot.
I happen to think that products like Amsoil are worth the extra price for the quality of the product.
It frustrates me to no end to see people bash my products because they don't like how its marketed or don't like the price, and they talk down the product based on that and not the actual performance of the product.
Well said sir...I don't like WM, but that's no reason to bash the oils that are sold there.
Each oil should be taken on the merits of the oil itself, not in how it is sold or marketed.
Price point is something that each person must decide for themselves. Some are happy paying the minimum for their oil and following OLM. Some prefer to do a used oil analysis and some do not. It's all the infinite variety that keeps us arguing about oil minutiae.
For quite a few people, the lack of API certification is a deal breaker. I personally have never used a motor oil in my car that didn't carry the API donut. I have used Red Line gear oils, but there is no specific API certification program. It also included using fluid types that weren't specifically recommended by the manufacturer, like using MTL in my Integra's gearbox.
Another issue is the price. Certainly back in the 90s I remember I could get Pennzoil conventional for about $1.25/quart, while Mobil 1 was about $4. Red Line was $6-7. It seemed rather excessive for something that most people would still dispose of in a regular oil change interval.
Originally Posted By: cronk
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I came to this site 8 years ago, to learn about engine oil, and I have learned a lot.
I happen to think that products like Amsoil are worth the extra price for the quality of the product.
It frustrates me to no end to see people bash my products because they don't like how its marketed or don't like the price, and they talk down the product based on that and not the actual performance of the product.
Well said sir...I don't like WM, but that's no reason to bash the oils that are sold there.
Each oil should be taken on the merits of the oil itself, not in how it is sold or marketed.
Price point is something that each person must decide for themselves. Some are happy paying the minimum for their oil and following OLM. Some prefer to do a used oil analysis and some do not. It's all the infinite variety that keeps us arguing about oil minutiae.
For quite a few people, the lack of API certification is a deal breaker. I personally have never used a motor oil in my car that didn't carry the API donut. I have used Red Line gear oils, but there is no specific API certification program. It also included using fluid types that weren't specifically recommended by the manufacturer, like using MTL in my Integra's gearbox.
Another issue is the price. Certainly back in the 90s I remember I could get Pennzoil conventional for about $1.25/quart, while Mobil 1 was about $4. Red Line was $6-7. It seemed rather excessive for something that most people would still dispose of in a regular oil change interval.
Originally Posted By: y_p_w
For quite a few people, the lack of API certification is a deal breaker. I personally have never used a motor oil in my car that didn't carry the API donut. I have used Red Line gear oils, but there is no specific API certification program. It also included using fluid types that weren't specifically recommended by the manufacturer, like using MTL in my Integra's gearbox.
Another issue is the price. Certainly back in the 90s I remember I could get Pennzoil conventional for about $1.25/quart, while Mobil 1 was about $4. Red Line was $6-7. It seemed rather excessive for something that most people would still dispose of in a regular oil change interval.
As previously stated:
Originally Posted By: Kuato
Price point is something that each person must decide for themselves.
Originally Posted By: cronk
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I happen to think that products like Amsoil are worth the extra price for the quality of the product.
As far as the API donut, if that's what you require for your motor oil, all well and good.
But we've seen with some of the bogus oils out there, the donut imprinted on the bottles meant nothing; conversely, Amsoil and Redline do not carry the donut, yet outperform some oils that do have the donut - you can't really argue with those results, donut or no.
Plus, putting the API donut on your bottle of oil is an expensive process; I'm sure ExxonMobil has the deep pockets required, and the smaller companies decided against shelling out the cash.
For quite a few people, the lack of API certification is a deal breaker. I personally have never used a motor oil in my car that didn't carry the API donut. I have used Red Line gear oils, but there is no specific API certification program. It also included using fluid types that weren't specifically recommended by the manufacturer, like using MTL in my Integra's gearbox.
Another issue is the price. Certainly back in the 90s I remember I could get Pennzoil conventional for about $1.25/quart, while Mobil 1 was about $4. Red Line was $6-7. It seemed rather excessive for something that most people would still dispose of in a regular oil change interval.
As previously stated:
Originally Posted By: Kuato
Price point is something that each person must decide for themselves.
Originally Posted By: cronk
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I happen to think that products like Amsoil are worth the extra price for the quality of the product.
As far as the API donut, if that's what you require for your motor oil, all well and good.
But we've seen with some of the bogus oils out there, the donut imprinted on the bottles meant nothing; conversely, Amsoil and Redline do not carry the donut, yet outperform some oils that do have the donut - you can't really argue with those results, donut or no.
Plus, putting the API donut on your bottle of oil is an expensive process; I'm sure ExxonMobil has the deep pockets required, and the smaller companies decided against shelling out the cash.
Originally Posted By: y_p_w
Originally Posted By: Kuato
Originally Posted By: cronk
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I came to this site 8 years ago, to learn about engine oil, and I have learned a lot.
I happen to think that products like Amsoil are worth the extra price for the quality of the product.
It frustrates me to no end to see people bash my products because they don't like how its marketed or don't like the price, and they talk down the product based on that and not the actual performance of the product.
Well said sir...I don't like WM, but that's no reason to bash the oils that are sold there.
Each oil should be taken on the merits of the oil itself, not in how it is sold or marketed.
Price point is something that each person must decide for themselves. Some are happy paying the minimum for their oil and following OLM. Some prefer to do a used oil analysis and some do not. It's all the infinite variety that keeps us arguing about oil minutiae.
For quite a few people, the lack of API certification is a deal breaker. I personally have never used a motor oil in my car that didn't carry the API donut. I have used Red Line gear oils, but there is no specific API certification program. It also included using fluid types that weren't specifically recommended by the manufacturer, like using MTL in my Integra's gearbox.
Another issue is the price. Certainly back in the 90s I remember I could get Pennzoil conventional for about $1.25/quart, while Mobil 1 was about $4. Red Line was $6-7. It seemed rather excessive for something that most people would still dispose of in a regular oil change interval.
No oils in Europe carry an API doughnut.
Originally Posted By: Kuato
Originally Posted By: cronk
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I came to this site 8 years ago, to learn about engine oil, and I have learned a lot.
I happen to think that products like Amsoil are worth the extra price for the quality of the product.
It frustrates me to no end to see people bash my products because they don't like how its marketed or don't like the price, and they talk down the product based on that and not the actual performance of the product.
Well said sir...I don't like WM, but that's no reason to bash the oils that are sold there.
Each oil should be taken on the merits of the oil itself, not in how it is sold or marketed.
Price point is something that each person must decide for themselves. Some are happy paying the minimum for their oil and following OLM. Some prefer to do a used oil analysis and some do not. It's all the infinite variety that keeps us arguing about oil minutiae.
For quite a few people, the lack of API certification is a deal breaker. I personally have never used a motor oil in my car that didn't carry the API donut. I have used Red Line gear oils, but there is no specific API certification program. It also included using fluid types that weren't specifically recommended by the manufacturer, like using MTL in my Integra's gearbox.
Another issue is the price. Certainly back in the 90s I remember I could get Pennzoil conventional for about $1.25/quart, while Mobil 1 was about $4. Red Line was $6-7. It seemed rather excessive for something that most people would still dispose of in a regular oil change interval.
No oils in Europe carry an API doughnut.
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