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Red Line Euro 5w30
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Except Redline's High Performance line of oils, redline doesn't even bother to attempt to be API licensed, so they can do whatever they want when it comes to their additive package.
High iron and lead.
The PDS states "recommended for API SN" so I assumed (perhaps incorrectly) that it meets API SN req's.
Recommended does not mean it has the API license for SN, SNplus, etc, or Manufacturer certifications.
Compare to the Professional 5w30 TD oil, the wording is different. It says "Approved for...:"
And here's the API License search for Red Line.
As I said, Redline doesn't have the API license for their High Performance oil line, so API specs don't need to be met.
Well, they fooled me! I just glanced over the description, saw all the API standards and manufacturer certifications and assumed it meets all of them. I'm surprised they get away with this labeling.
Still, the UOA indicates low levels of AW additives similar to most other 5W30 oils and elevated wear metals compared to M1 0W40 UOA in the same engine
A single UOA for 2 oils tells you nothing here.
Think of all the money blenders and formulators could save if instead of the Sequence tests and approvals all they had to do was send a sample out for a $30 spectrographic analysis.
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Which boutique blenders run engine sequence tests?
I'm not even going to ask about transmission fluids or gear oils.
I have no idea. But at the same time I doubt the recommendations are based on a simple spectrographic analysis.
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Per my discussions with Red Line Oil, their recomendations are based on the additive package they are using for a specific lubricant.
Red Line said that their oils don't carry approvals, but the additive packages they use do, so they base their recomendations on these approvals.
That's not factually accurate, as additive packages do not have approvals. The additive supplier will sell a blender a package with certain chatacteristics to blend a motor oil that can be a candidate for approval(s).
When I asked them about apecific testing, they said that they do plenty of in-house testing and also use 3rd party labs, without providing any specific information about any of those test.
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Redline certainly utilizes P66 Bartlesville R&D.
Also some additive packages will be licensed based on additive supplier formula. So if you use X additives and Y base oils, it will have a default license. But, it’s sorta all over the board depending on the certification, who the license holder is, what tests, etc.
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My comments were not a knock on Red Line. I used their products on and off and my only negative experience was with their 5W-30 burning nearly a quart of oil out of six in my 2017 Hyundai 3.3L GDI engine at 6800 miles. I don't know why that happened, and I haven't tried to reproduce that since then. Currently running Mobil 1 FS 0W-40 in it without issues.
Red Line D6 ATF provided firmer shifts for my vehicles than I liked, same as AMSOIL ATL (most likely they both use the same DI package). Other than that, I never had any issues with Red Line Oil. It's good oil, and the fact that Red Line uses POE in just about everything they blend is a plus. I also like that they publish (or provide via email) details such as flash point, pour point, MRV, and NOACK. And by God, the new formulations have brought down NOACK to some unbelievable levels. I am actually considering using them again.
Knowing RL's chemistry a bit more I now understand why we see the results we do, which are often mixed. Red Line is formulated more towards the racing side of things then extended drains due to the inherent acidity of base oil blend. The higher ester content comes with some negatives as well as positives. All oils have to be well balanced, and I'm not saying RL isn't, but they put a heavier emphasis on certain properties that don't always lend itself to longer drain intervals.
Their Euro 5w30 I think is an outstanding oil for modern GDI engines within a reasonable drain interval (not too long).
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Red Line Synthetic Oil. FAQ
Red Line has a reputation with racers and enthusiasts alike for creating products that perform and protect better than any on the market. No compromises.
Thanks. I've seen that before and there are some instances where Red Line does well in longer drains, and in some engines not so much. The Russian's have seen similar mixed results as we have, and also suggest that RL is inherently acidic and is good for shorter intervals.Red Line Synthetic Oil. FAQ
Red Line has a reputation with racers and enthusiasts alike for creating products that perform and protect better than any on the market. No compromises.www.redlineoil.com
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However, some could say that about many engines as we've seen some top tier oils get beat-up pretty quickly regardless of brand.
@Foxtrot08 have you been using the Redline Euro 5w30? Any UOA’s you can share?
I have 2 saved… the third I just have to go to our file system and get. So I should have 3 UoAs saved.
I just have to scrub them of my personal / business information before I can post them.
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