Red flag on 2010 BMW 328i CarFax

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Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: Audios
Id pass on that one, Suburban Collection worries me, and wouldnt consider an E9x BMW without a warranty, preferably CPO.


+1. Looks like someone bought a car they couldn't afford and it got repoed after running across country. I'd doubly not be buying a repoed BMW from a Honda dealer, unless the deal was really good, like thousands less than I could reasonably resell the car for.


AGAIN, look at the listed website...

http://www.suburbancollection.com

It is a dealership group including Suburban Honda in Michigan which has said BMW on their website. It has absolutely not a damb thing in the world to do with repo.

That said, BMW of Ft Lauderdale appears to be a Hoffman group company and I cannot find any connection between Hoffman and Suburban, which doesn't mean there isn't one...

IIRC correctly leased vehicles are titled as commercial vehicles in Florida because the leasing company owns the car.


There was no website provided earlier.

But your point is what? The excess mileage was put on before they came into the picture.

FL worries me, the mileage worries me a bit, etc. Id still walk. Leave this to someone who wants to show off and leases a used BMW from a Honda dealer because they will extend credit.

If you want and can afford a BMW, go to the dealer and BUY one.
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: Audios
Id pass on that one, Suburban Collection worries me, and wouldnt consider an E9x BMW without a warranty, preferably CPO.


+1. Looks like someone bought a car they couldn't afford and it got repoed after running across country. I'd doubly not be buying a repoed BMW from a Honda dealer, unless the deal was really good, like thousands less than I could reasonably resell the car for.


AGAIN, look at the listed website...

http://www.suburbancollection.com

It is a dealership group including Suburban Honda in Michigan which has said BMW on their website. It has absolutely not a damb thing in the world to do with repo.

That said, BMW of Ft Lauderdale appears to be a Hoffman group company and I cannot find any connection between Hoffman and Suburban, which doesn't mean there isn't one...

IIRC correctly leased vehicles are titled as commercial vehicles in Florida because the leasing company owns the car.


There was no website provided earlier.

But your point is what? The excess mileage was put on before they came into the picture.

FL worries me, the mileage worries me a bit, etc. Id still walk. Leave this to someone who wants to show off and leases a used BMW from a Honda dealer because they will extend credit.

If you want and can afford a BMW, go to the dealer and BUY one.


The website is on the car fax...

My point is that "repo" is a wild and unfounded assumption...
 
Oh, and it passed BMW certified inspection...

11/02/2011 8,011 Lauderdale Imports BMW
Fort Lauderdale, FL
954-527-3300
lauderdalebmw.com Recommended maintenance performed
Brake fluid flushed/changed
Oil and filter changed
Cabin air filter replaced
Front wiper blades/refills replaced

12/15/2011 Florida
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Fort Lauderdale, FL
Title #0103445329 Registration issued or renewed
Loan or lien reported
Registered as commercial vehicle
Vehicle color noted as Blue

12/01/2012 10,529 BMW
Certified Dealer
Fort Lauderdale, FL Offered for sale as a BMW Certified Pre-Owned Vehicle
Blue exterior
Black interior


Also, the original sale date was reported as 12/01/2009 which means it was offered for sale as BMW CPO precisely 3 years past the original sale date, screams "lease" to me. So the question is about the ~7000 miles in ~3 months... Shouldn't be that hard to get an answer from the previous owner if the dealer really wants to get sell it...

It is quite a bit under CPO prices for a similar car if you can satisfy yourself about the mileage then see if the Honda dealer will give you a warranty to match the CPO warranty, or if the BMW CPO warranty can be transferred... (BMW website says that it is, but only)

Quote:
Transfers
The Certified Pre-Owned BMW Protection Plan is fully transferable from the original Certified Pre-Owned BMW purchaser or lessee to subsequent owner(s) or lessee(s).


http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Content/CPO/Warranty/Terms.aspx
 
Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
So the question is about the ~7000 miles in ~3 months...

Does it really matter? Sounds like it was a ton of hwy miles which is better than 7K of city miles, IMO.

Quote:

It is quite a bit under CPO prices for a similar car if you can satisfy yourself about the mileage then see if the Honda dealer will give you a warranty to match the CPO warranty, or if the BMW CPO warranty can be transferred... (BMW website says that it is, but only)

AFAIK, it can only be transferred from one private owner to the next. Now that the Honda dealership owns the car, it can no longer be transferred, but it's still worth double checking.
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
...Leave this to someone who wants to show off and leases a used BMW from a Honda dealer because they will extend credit.

If you want and can afford a BMW, go to the dealer and BUY one.


And while we are at it what do you mean by this, looks like another baseless assumption to me...
 
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
So the question is about the ~7000 miles in ~3 months...

Does it really matter? Sounds like it was a ton of hwy miles which is better than 7K of city miles, IMO.

Quote:

It is quite a bit under CPO prices for a similar car if you can satisfy yourself about the mileage then see if the Honda dealer will give you a warranty to match the CPO warranty, or if the BMW CPO warranty can be transferred... (BMW website says that it is, but only)

AFAIK, it can only be transferred from one private owner to the next. Now that the Honda dealership owns the car, it can no longer be transferred, but it's still worth double checking.


On the mileage, agree it would almost have to be highway miles. It would be nice to hear the explanation, but it would not bother me much if the car looked OK. The short ownership would worry me more. There could be reasonable explanations for that too...

On the Warranty that is the way I read it as well, but if it can be transferred the car looks like more of a bargain considering CPO pricing is ~$28,000.00 and up and this one is ~$23,500.00.
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: Audios
Id pass on that one, Suburban Collection worries me, and wouldnt consider an E9x BMW without a warranty, preferably CPO.


+1. Looks like someone bought a car they couldn't afford and it got repoed after running across country. I'd doubly not be buying a repoed BMW from a Honda dealer, unless the deal was really good, like thousands less than I could reasonably resell the car for.


AGAIN, look at the listed website...

http://www.suburbancollection.com

It is a dealership group including Suburban Honda in Michigan which has said BMW on their website. It has absolutely not a damb thing in the world to do with repo.

That said, BMW of Ft Lauderdale appears to be a Hoffman group company and I cannot find any connection between Hoffman and Suburban, which doesn't mean there isn't one...

IIRC correctly leased vehicles are titled as commercial vehicles in Florida because the leasing company owns the car.


There was no website provided earlier.

But your point is what? The excess mileage was put on before they came into the picture.

FL worries me, the mileage worries me a bit, etc. Id still walk. Leave this to someone who wants to show off and leases a used BMW from a Honda dealer because they will extend credit.

If you want and can afford a BMW, go to the dealer and BUY one.


You can lease used cars?
 
Incidentally that isn't the only BMW that Suburban Honda/Acura has which has been through Lauderdale BMW.
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Looks like the other one went through an auction, but seems an odd coincidence...
 
Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
On the mileage, agree it would almost have to be highway miles. It would be nice to hear the explanation, but it would not bother me much if the car looked OK. The short ownership would worry me more. There could be reasonable explanations for that too...

Yeah, the combination of Owner #2 being so very short with so many miles being put on it during that time is the red flag for me. The only information the selling dealer could provide is that he thinks the mileage reported was incorrect. But what's the liklihood that when the BMW dealer in Ft. Lauderdale certified it, that the mileage wasn't reported correctly? Slim IMO. Here's the full report and everything seems to add up to the point where Owner #2 took over.
CarFax2_zpsb3bd0bc9.jpg

It's a shame, because I really like this car and the price is right. There aren't that many 2009-2011 328i's available around here, especially in colors that I like.
 
If the CPO warranty is transferable, why not? You'd be crazy to keep one of these outside of warranty, but if there are 2 years left on the warranty and you can transfer it, then buy it and plan on keeping it for only the duration of the warranty. Who cares what happened to it previously - it will be under warranty.
 
Originally Posted By: robshelton
Everyone should be really careful dealing with cars and or titles from Florida. Unless it's been changed, FL doesn't show "Damaged or rebuilt" on their titles, so many shady dealers will send the title to FL to "Clean" it of any similar notation.



With this bit of information, and the fact that they have sister dealerships in FL and Detroit suburbs gets my healthy skepticism going. This sounds like a good way to wash titles of cars from the MI area through FL and send them back to MI for resale. But I would think that if they were actually doing this they would be smart enough to put the car on a transport trailer so as not to rack up the miles and make it more obvious.
 
I just don't think it is that big of a deal, certainly wouldn't let it stop me from buying the car if it looked like the best choice on otherwise...

I don't trust the 15,700 number but there is no reason to suspect the others...

Don't really buy the dealerships excuse, I mean they know where they got the car - if it was a trade in then they can contact the previous owner and ask them if it is O.K. for you to call...

If they aren't forth coming then that is the biggest reason yet to pass on it.

Apparently this group doesn't have a very good reputation - although no one has really seen fit to explain why.
 
Originally Posted By: Audios
Suburban Collection worries me

Curious, why does Suburban Collection worry you? They have a lot of dealers here in Southeast Michigan and from what I know, their reputation is as good as any other dealer.

Originally Posted By: Audios
wouldnt consider an E9x BMW without a warranty

Curious, why not, if the price is right and the vehicle is in good shape?

Originally Posted By: dishdude
You'd be crazy to keep one of these outside of warranty

How come? That doesn't say much for BMW quality.
 
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