Ravenol RSS 10W-60 - Worth it?

[Jetronic]

The Ravenol Dealer in the german Oil forum stated that Ravenol produced 10 ( TEN! ) 20 Liter jugs of this particular 10w-60 batch. This 20 Liter jug size is not Popular, but neverthelss, that is not indutrial scale production, thats more like "Handmade".

A batch of oil is mixed up in a big container, then that is used to fill bottles, jugs, drums, bags etc... depending on the orders they have and what they expect will be ordered going by history. If someone has this in a bulk oil tank they might have gotten some straight into a tanker truck even. All it means if they made 10x 20l jugs is that it's not a popular size. and it sure isn't going to be their best selling product so they won't be making huge amounts at a time.

But it does make me wonder how QC works at that facility.

 

[f355spider]

A batch of oil is mixed up in a big container, then that is used to fill bottles, jugs, drums, bags etc... depending on the orders they have and what they expect will be ordered going by history. If someone has this in a bulk oil tank they might have gotten some straight into a tanker truck even. All it means if they made 10x 20l jugs is that it's not a popular size. and it sure isn't going to be their best selling product so they won't be making huge amounts at a time.

But it does make me wonder how QC works at that facility.

Is that the process for larger manufacturers? I work in the medical industry and a company I worked for decades ago (J&J), did not do "batches" as they felt there was too much risk of batch to batch inconsistency. They used a "continous mix" process where all the various products were continuously fed into a chamber where they were mixed, then dispensed into containers. Both the chamber and filled containers were periodically sampled throughout the process. It eliminated a "big container" or vat for mixing. A lot or batch was basically that days entire run I believe.

 

[Jetronic]

Is that the process for larger manufacturers? I work in the medical industry and a company I worked for decades ago (J&J), did not do "batches" as they felt there was too much risk of batch to batch inconsistency. They used a "continous mix" process where all the various products were continuously fed into a chamber where they were mixed, then dispensed into containers. Both the chamber and filled containers were periodically sampled throughout the process. It eliminated a "big container" or vat for mixing. A lot or batch was basically that days entire run I believe.

It depends how many different products you have to make I guess. Ravenol has countless, it would mean a hundred or so production lines

 

[f355spider]

It depends how many different products you have to make I guess. Ravenol has countless, it would mean a hundred or so production lines

You can typically use the same line for multiple products. It depends on the capacity...most will way over build what they need, because adding another line is costly and requires more space. Most processes are efficient enough to make enough stock in a few days or a week and be good for a time, then you shut down, clean, and start up something else. Slow sellers could probably make sufficient stock in less than a day, or even a few hours, depending on the capacity of the equipment.

It's a balance between production time, shut down time, and how much goods you want (or can) to stock in your warehouse.

 

[Jetronic]

You can typically use the same line for multiple products. It depends on the capacity...most will way over build what they need, because adding another line is costly and requires more space. Most processes are efficient enough to make enough stock in a few days or a week and be good for a time, then you shut down, clean, and start up something else. Slow sellers could probably make sufficient stock in less than a day, or even a few hours, depending on the capacity of the equipment.

It's a balance between production time, shut down time, and how much goods you want (or can) to stock in your warehouse.

I heard about an american blender who's smallest tank was 600 gallons, so that was the smallest batch size.

 

[RBIS65]

Hi all,

If I may, I would like to extend a bit the scope of this chat "Ravenol RSS 10W-60 - Worth it?"...

I recently viewed this:
https://www.bimmerworld.com/BMW-Engine-Oil/

Focusing on the oil for S65 engines:
Our top pick is the 15W50 - it has a thinner viscosity and lower pour point than factory BMW 10W60 even with a SAE 15W grade. This lower viscosity when cold means the oil penetrates the bearing surfaces and critical clearances more easily. When hot, the Red Line formula has similar evaporation and better shear resistance than factory oil, despite being graded as a 50 vs. 60. The thinner hot viscosity means less drag (more power) and less friction and heat. The Red Line is just a better formula using better base stock. Red Line also makes a 10W60 but it's a thicker viscosity than any other 10W60 and should only be used in track or very hot climates.

As I am not an oil specialist, does that makes sense to you guys (a 15W50 outperforming a 10W60)?
Somehow the Redline 15W50 is better for cold start since thinner?
However for hot performance, it is also thinner. Does this mean it will protect less? or since it has high HTHS, it will still protect well AND be able to reach tight clearances ?
Finally, why saying the Red line 10W60 is only for track and very hot climate? Is this oil way to thick unless it is "very hot" ?

 

[chris719]

Hi all,

If I may, I would like to extend a bit the scope of this chat "Ravenol RSS 10W-60 - Worth it?"...

I recently viewed this:
https://www.bimmerworld.com/BMW-Engine-Oil/

Focusing on the oil for S65 engines:
Our top pick is the 15W50 - it has a thinner viscosity and lower pour point than factory BMW 10W60 even with a SAE 15W grade. This lower viscosity when cold means the oil penetrates the bearing surfaces and critical clearances more easily. When hot, the Red Line formula has similar evaporation and better shear resistance than factory oil, despite being graded as a 50 vs. 60. The thinner hot viscosity means less drag (more power) and less friction and heat. The Red Line is just a better formula using better base stock. Red Line also makes a 10W60 but it's a thicker viscosity than any other 10W60 and should only be used in track or very hot climates.

As I am not an oil specialist, does that makes sense to you guys (a 15W50 outperforming a 10W60)?
Somehow the Redline 15W50 is better for cold start since thinner?
However for hot performance, it is also thinner. Does this mean it will protect less? or since it has high HTHS, it will still protect well AND be able to reach tight clearances ?
Finally, why saying the Red line 10W60 is only for track and very hot climate? Is this oil way to thick unless it is "very hot" ?

No, it’s broscience. It’s not better.

 

[CivicFK2TypeR]

Why Ravenol at all?