Rant: On new petro-powered cars in general.

Yearn for older vehicles all you want. But I’ll take my more modern vehicles over their exact same counterparts from 20 or 30 years ago. Sienna, Malibu, Elantra respectively.
I could never go back to driving older vehicles myself, not as a daily driver anyway. I would miss the creature comforts like Apple CarPlay. I have also recently been spoiled by having adaptive cruise control in the rental car I’ve been driving for the past week and I need to make sure that my next car has that!
 
Of course, up until very recently, the Dodge Charger/Challenger and Chrysler 300 have been available with conventional engines and build quality. The Charger is coming back with a 550HP twin turbo inline six. So not exactly a throwback family car... But kind of meets the OP's requirements.


I worked with a guy who drove one just like this, and his reasoning was much like the OP's. He wanted a conventional car with non modern drivetrain, big lump of an engine, easy to work on, easy to modify. In the end, he was not skilled enough to make it a good car, however it absolutely had the potential to be exactly what he wanted.

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Yearn for older vehicles all you want. But I’ll take my more modern vehicles over their exact same counterparts from 20 or 30 years ago. Sienna, Malibu, Elantra respectively.

I think the options for vehicles that replace the conventional big family car are really slim for those who don't want an SUV.
 
Ive been running DOHC, VVT, turbo, Direct Injection, independant suspension, electric windows etc on cars as old as 1992. They lasted then too. What was rare back then is common now, but for me the change has been minimal; rather I got more brand choice now.

It's the other stuff they include that I'm not sure about...
 
I think the options for vehicles that replace the conventional big family car are really slim for those who don't want an SUV.
Yeah. If that’s your thing. We had a Caprice Wagon for quite a while growing up. Not going to find those types around anymore. My first few cars were Civics and my first family vehicle (when I started a family of my own) was a Durango. Never much I cared for the large family sedans.
 
I could never go back to driving older vehicles myself, not as a daily driver anyway. I would miss the creature comforts like Apple CarPlay. I have also recently been spoiled by having adaptive cruise control in the rental car I’ve been driving for the past week and I need to make sure that my next car has that!
For our Sienna it is not even close. I remember growing up in the back row of our family vehicles I’d be dying of heat because there was no rear AC vents. Somebody was going be uncomfortable either the people in the front because there was too much air or the people in the back because there was not enough.

Now my kids can control their own temperatures in their respective rows, and everyone has a charging port. Also the second and third row all recline. Not to mention the mid 30’s mpg the hybrid powertrain nets.
 
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are the car manufacturers trying to use the consumer for testing grounds on longevity.

It's literally every manufacturer of everything now. The end consumer is the QC. Same with homebuilders.
Actually home builders seem to find the absolute cheapest and hope you don’t notice.

Car makers hope you notice but don’t care when it breaks and you are already tired of the car.
 
Best car ever driven 2nd gen Lexus IS350. Fast, extremley smooth and comfortable.

This is a 2005 based design and noticed the metal gauge being thicker than the paper thin cars everyone is making now. A true testimonials to the pursuit of perfection that Lexus used as their covenant back in the day.

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I could never go back to driving older vehicles myself, not as a daily driver anyway. I would miss the creature comforts like Apple CarPlay. I have also recently been spoiled by having adaptive cruise control in the rental car I’ve been driving for the past week and I need to make sure that my next car has that!
I added a new head unit with apple car play to both my Nissan's. A backup camera also - it works OK. So I like those features but there available to add.

I have adaptive cruise on my Toyota and hate / never use it. I find myself in drone mode following someone going 20 under the limit. They need to add AI that tells me to move over a lane.
 
Yeah. If that’s your thing. (driving a family sedan that is) We had a Caprice Wagon for quite a while growing up. Not going to find those types around anymore. My first few cars were Civics and my first family vehicle (when I started a family of my own) was a Durango. Never much I cared for the large family sedans.
As a hard core driving enthusiast, former racer and overall HP junkie, I find most SUV's to be top heavy ponderous handling monsters when pushed. Sure, they feel fine when driven sedately, few are actually fun when pushed. It's not unlike a track day with a minivan. It can be done, but it's no fun.

Yet there have been plenty of sedans with a sporting nature throughout the years. Cars I actually enjoy driving.

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I added a new head unit with apple car play to both my Nissan's. A backup camera also - it works OK. So I like those features but there available to add.

I have adaptive cruise on my Toyota and hate / never use it. I find myself in drone mode following someone going 20 under the limit. They need to add AI that tells me to move over a lane.
Did the same on our two old vehicles a few years back. Apple Carplay on a large touch screen, HD radio, back-up camera, and hands free, brought them both into modern times.
 
As a hard core driving enthusiast, former racer and overall HP junkie, I find most SUV's to be top heavy ponderous handling monsters when pushed. Sure, they feel fine when driven sedately, few are actually fun when pushed. It's not unlike a track day with a minivan. It can be done, but it's no fun.

Yet there have been plenty of sedans with a sporting nature throughout the years. Cars I actually enjoy driving.

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I know what you mean about going with the sporty sedan for the experience. Had a Nissan Sentra SE R Spec V years ago and it was a fun daily driver. Nimble with enough power to have fun, but not get yourself in too much trouble, and the 6 speed manual was a blast.
 
Perhaps it's just me, or are the car manufacturers trying to use the consumer for testing grounds on longevity.

Giving us very lightweight oil viscosities, reducing the mill spec on the metal skin to the point where if you lean your bicycle up along the side of it you ding it.

Insurance companies seem to give Car/engines very low engine life averages.

I had a 24 Mercedes GLC 300 where the insurance company gave it a life expectancy average of around 125k miles for the engine. And if it wasn't for all the electrical problems I would still probably have it, thank goodness for lemon law attorneys and corporate buyback policies.

I now drive a modern day Volkswagen! Which is a Toyota RAV4. It appears so many of these were made and they are now turning into some real feather weight means of transportation, Subarus as well

Is there any heavy metal Motors left out there that won't fall apart with excessive ethanol now in our fuel, which brings up another rant!, is that another means to help knockout petrol cars so everyone will gravitate toward hybrid or EV?
Heavy solid steel doesn't crumple in accidents. Back in the 60s and 70s 100k miles was worn out. My dad had a mustang in high school and by 100k miles it needed a full rebuild. I'm surprised that your insurance company only said your Mercedes engine was only good for 125k miles. Seems extremely low. Alot of stuff is to meet cafe as car manufacturers get fined stupid amounts for not hitting it.
 
If I were to step back into an older car, I'd probably "have to" add carplay. 99% of the time I don't need it--but boy is it nice when far from home! And the backup camera, that's just nice, especially on days that my neck isn't quite what it used to be. Sometimes I wish for a forward camera, for parking, so I'll know right where the curb is.

Cars don't have to be designed to last long, us in the rust belt know that none of them are long for this world. And, upgrading every couple of decades has its benefits. ABS, curtain airbags, and even carplay.
 
Heavy solid steel doesn't crumple in accidents. Back in the 60s and 70s 100k miles was worn out. My dad had a mustang in high school and by 100k miles it needed a full rebuild. I'm surprised that your insurance company only said your Mercedes engine was only good for 125k miles. Seems extremely low. Alot of stuff is to meet cafe as car manufacturers get fined stupid amounts for not hitting it.
Yes I know when they told me that I was shocked thinking that it would be a high mileage engine. It was a national average against certain Mercedes models. And my GLC 300 was one of them. the 125k life expectancy was just an average for the insurance company focus. And here out west, most insurance companies have an underlying life expectancy of most cars; whether or not they go 300K or not they still put that in the books.

But on a positive side for the Mercedes it was built in Germany and the metal spec on that was built like a tank. But everything came at a price because it was heavy and I was lucky if I got 23 - 26 MPG. But the electrical issues were the downside, it had to go.
 
I could never go back to driving older vehicles myself, not as a daily driver anyway. I would miss the creature comforts like Apple CarPlay. I have also recently been spoiled by having adaptive cruise control in the rental car I’ve been driving for the past week and I need to make sure that my next car has that!

I think this is a very popular sentiment...and a major driver of new (and newer) car sales. And that's cool if that's your cup of tea.

For many of us (admittedly fewer and fewer), creature comforts (other than A/C) are of no consequence. That's why I drive an '86 Daytona and a 2005 base Caravan. Parts are cheap as chips and insurance premiums are minimal. They simply get me where I need to go.

I just completed a months-long search to replace my Caravan (264K miles from the day I bought it new). Found a low-mile one-owner 2007 Caravan in California. For a hair over $4K, it should last me at least another 10-15 years with miniscule operating expenses. And if I ever want Apple Car Play I can certainly add it.
 
Perhaps it's just me, or are the car manufacturers trying to use the consumer for testing grounds on longevity.

Giving us very lightweight oil viscosities, reducing the mill spec on the metal skin to the point where if you lean your bicycle up along the side of it you ding it.

Insurance companies seem to give Car/engines very low engine life averages.

I had a 24 Mercedes GLC 300 where the insurance company gave it a life expectancy average of around 125k miles for the engine. And if it wasn't for all the electrical problems I would still probably have it, thank goodness for lemon law attorneys and corporate buyback policies.

I now drive a modern day Volkswagen! Which is a Toyota RAV4. It appears so many of these were made and they are now turning into some real feather weight means of transportation, Subarus as well

Is there any heavy metal Motors left out there that won't fall apart with excessive ethanol now in our fuel, which brings up another rant!, is that another means to help knockout petrol cars so everyone will gravitate toward hybrid or EV?
Would you prefer the fiberglass bodies from the 1980's and 90's?
 
Would you prefer the fiberglass bodies from the 1980's and 90's?
Oh yeah I remember when a lot of car manufacturers were doing that with plastic trunks. I think Honda had its little for Bangor motorcycle engine in their little Civic back in the seventies and that had a plastic hood and trunk. That was a very dangerous car to be in, much worse than the explosive Mustangs and pintos with the rear fuel port.

I had a 2000 M5, it was one solid piece of Machinery straight inline 6 solid body, suspension and very well proportioned wheels and tires. But once again the only downside with that one was being plagued with electronic issues with sensors going off every 2 to 3 months which would cost me 3 to 500 dollars a visit. I eventually got a code reset tool and just kept resetting all of the sensors then sold it.

No doubt a lot of crap has been being given to us throughout every decade. today's cars and trucks are going through another change. Will never see the technology of decades past again.
 
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