Quantifying Auto Rx

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FOR THE RECORD: I AM THE GUILTY ONE WHO SENT SPITTY THE TWO BOTTLES OF AUTO-RX.


Ah-HA!!! The plot thickens!!
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I hope that the caps was just a rhetorical shout and that "I'm outta here!" as too.

Everyone keep repeating (after me)

It's only an internet message board
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Originally Posted By: DmanWho
...so maybe there will be some interesting findings to gleam from...

I hope it "gleams" like new, and we can glean some useful information...
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I plan to change the oil and filter, test the vehicle for another 500 miles then run Ax for another 2500 miles, as in the basic application.
But I am open to suggestions.
 
Eliminator, Please, My last thread here was locked because of 'in-fighting', so I would like to keep this one 'on topic'
Perhaps you would rather start another thread?
 
Originally Posted By: Spitty
I plan to change the oil and filter, test the vehicle for another 500 miles then run Ax for another 2500 miles, as in the basic application.
But I am open to suggestions.


Spitty, I know I offered some suggestions earlier in the thread. But the more I think about it, the more I realize just how hard it really is to quantify some of the things you're looking at. I would discard the idea of using any gas mileage figures. There's just too many other operating parameters that affect gas mileage. You'll never be able to isolate what's due to ARX (if anything) and what's not. The data will make an interesting "sidebar".

Remember, ARX is a deposit cleaner. Therefore, you should really only be looking at those things that provide direct or inferred evidence of deposit removal : before and after photos of oil filter elements and the valve train (direct evidence), compression readings (inferred), oil consumption rate (inferred) - those sorts of things.
 
I think what I am hoping to see is some some real advantage for the owner who has an older vehicle with no real issues, and might otherwise just keep driving until Rust, or the overall appearance of the vehicle persuades him/her to 'retire it'.
I think the truck I will be testing 'could' be typical in that, it uses a little oil, compression may be down (or uneven) it may feel a little rougher at the stop light and act a little sluggish. Things that could be improved??
'I' also feel that a lot of the deposit accumulation in such an engine could be benign (in that it has no effect on engine performance) Therefor deposit removal (in it self) would offer no advantage to the vehicle owner. It's only that fraction of 1% of crud that could effect performance and/or economy. Therefore, in this test, I'm not that interested in the removal of crud per se, I'm more interested in the 'results' of removing it.
 
I think your test will prove whether or not ring sealing can be improved, by following the appropriate application instructions.
If the rings are functioning properly or the cylinder walls have worn out of spec, then don't expect too much. My bet says that if a couple cylinders are down in compression, ARX will at least lift them up close to the others. Motors can run a long time as long as the compression is fairly even amongst the cylinders. With all of them up to spec the truck owner should enjoy pretty darn good performance over the twighlight of this unit.
 
Meh. All I know about this stuff is that it's making an old but low-mileage 3800 V6 run smoother, and the 4T60 transmission to shift noticeably smoother. The only change for both was adding the Auto-RX and running it for a thousand miles so far. Granted it's the butt dyno reporting results, but when the only change is the addition of the Auto-RX, that to me indicates it's doing exactly what the literature says it will do, ie de-gunking the internals.

That's not quantification by any means. I suppose it's one of those things that you know exists yet cannot quantify besides indirect measures like other people have stated. I suppose a direct measure would be to compare two identical vehicles operated identically in the same locale, and do a complete tear-down of the engines to see a direct comparison. Controlling for factors such as mileage, maintenance history, tire pressure, and other intervening variables, you may get hard data about the effects.
 
Purolator filters can be ordered through Bumper-to-Bumper and related parts chains in Canada, very few stock though. I bought some PureONEs and they ran me like $12 a pop for a common application, though, and that was paying "jobber" price.
 
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'I' also feel that a lot of the deposit accumulation in such an engine could be benign (in that it has no effect on engine performance) Therefor deposit removal (in it self) would offer no advantage to the vehicle owner. It's only that fraction of 1% of crud that could effect performance and/or economy. Therefore, in this test, I'm not that interested in the removal of crud per se, I'm more interested in the 'results' of removing it.



I somewhat agree. The "visuals", as I call them, are more an indicator of effectiveness than they are the ultimate functional worth of the product. I'd say that this is clearly evidenced in something like an automatic transmission where you don't get to see anything ..yet sticking valves become freed (also applies to hydraulic installations). You can't typically see a fouled lifter ..nor a stuck/sticking oil pump relief valve ..nor a clogged oil "artery". One can surely reason that if you've got good visuals ..that the same effect is going on elsewhere ...where it counts.
 
Originally Posted By: Frank


We just got our first order from the US Federal Goverment, do you know of any other metal cleaner product on this board that can make this statement?


I am the Federal employee that ordered Auto-RX for my Federal Agency for testing. I am unable to say what Federal Agency I work for and how I'm testing Auto-RX. I hope ARX will be more "health friendly" than I used before. Thanks Frank for your hard work!
 
Frank designed it to be health friendly as the old dangerous type stuff probably caused Franks cancer. Ron my sorta business partner has used it for many years in his forklift service business. Word went around the industry that he had magic stuff in bottles. Good luck...s
 
Originally Posted By: MGregoir
Purolator filters can be ordered through Bumper-to-Bumper and related parts chains in Canada, very few stock though. I bought some PureONEs and they ran me like $12 a pop for a common application, though, and that was paying "jobber" price.

Horrible price. Typical Canadian [censored] pricing ! I live about 20 minutes from the NY State border here in southern Ontario so I just pick up a few at any of the multitude of auto parts stores in the Buffalo/Niagara Falls area when I'm over there. The PureOnes are somewhere around 4 bucks a piece over there.

I don't think we have any Bumper To Bumper stores left out here in Ontario. I haven't seen one in years. I do see them when I'm in Calgary or Edmonton though.
 
Originally Posted By: va3ux

I don't think we have any Bumper To Bumper stores left out here in Ontario. I haven't seen one in years. I do see them when I'm in Calgary or Edmonton though.


Look for a 'Auto Plus' or 'Auto Parts Plus' store.
They are all (with Bumper to Bumper) part of the Uni-Select distribution network. Individual store selection will vary though.

I really don't understand why Frank is so defensive about this experiment.
Are the test results invalid simply because the product was purchased second hand? Or is the product being tested here in dispute of being genuine?
It seems awful premature.
 
Originally Posted By: Points
Originally Posted By: Frank


We just got our first order from the US Federal Goverment, do you know of any other metal cleaner product on this board that can make this statement?


I am the Federal employee that ordered Auto-RX for my Federal Agency for testing. I am unable to say what Federal Agency I work for and how I'm testing Auto-RX. I hope ARX will be more "health friendly" than I used before. Thanks Frank for your hard work!


We'll just guess that your post implies that you work for some cool office like NSA or CIA. :)
 
I work for the govt, too, but nothing cool. Just the forest service. I aways sneal some arx into my truck. But as for fleet-wide use, our fleet manager still says 3k dino. We "may look into synthetic but 5k miles might be too risky."
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I just did the oil change and compression test on the test truck, readings were an even 225psi across the board, Fuel consumption averages out to about 31 per imperial gallon.
I'm not sure there will be anything to gain/prove on this engine.
Should I find another candidate?
 
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