QS Full Synthetic vs. QS Ultimate differences?

[Carlostrece]

To those who have stated (in this thread and others) that Quaker State Ultimate Protection Full Synthetic is a GTL oil...

I would be very happy if that is the case. Please point me to the evidence.

 

[rondhol]

To those who have stated (in this thread and others) that Quaker State Ultimate Protection Full Synthetic is a GTL oil...

I would be very happy if that is the case. Please point me to the evidence.

It must be written on the bottle if it is GTL base. I know that Shell and Pennzoil Ultra Platinum have them written on the bottle. What I know, the 20k miles Oil usually has alkylated naptha and more dispersant/detergent+antiwear to hold longer OCI.

 

[kschachn]

It must be written on the bottle if it is GTL base. I know that Shell and Pennzoil Ultra Platinum have them written on the bottle. What I know, the 20k miles Oil usually has alkylated naptha and more dispersant/detergent+antiwear to hold longer OCI.

As an internal Shell marketing rule?

Did they do this when it was used in Pennzoil conventional?

 

[Jpc1623]

There is a thread with a response from QS

Quaker state Ultimate Protection is GTL​

 

[rijndael]

Quaker state Ultimate Protection is GTL

Thread 'Quaker State Ultimate Protection is GTL Based! (or might not be; read full thread)'

Feb 5, 2024

Been a fair amount of discussion over Quaker States Ultimate Protection here. One of the points of discussion has been whether or not it was really any different from the full synthetic. From reviewing the PDS sheets and VOA's they look very similar, except the Ultimate had an MRV of about half of that of the full synthetic. That made me suspicious it might be GTL, but I've had a hard time finding an SDS. Today I was finally able to overcome Shell's ridiculously complicated SDS search sheet and connect to an SDS.

Guess what? QS Ultimate Protection is indeed GTL. Much like the Euro...

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• Forum: Passenger Car Motor Oil (PCMO) - Gasoline Vehicles

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[live_to_hunt]

It’s like a dollar difference. In my mind how different can they be? I doubt the vehicle will know of the dollar difference.

 

[buster]

QS UP is their top oil in the QS line. UP has better high temperature protection than their Euro 5w30. Same can be said for PUP vs Euro.

 

[Techdata Junky]

I've been on the sidelines reading all the forums everywhere and three years latter the bottom line from my observation is,

1). There is no mention of Quaker State's Ultamate Protection's GTL content. QS won't label it anywhere on the bottler or web page so it's all a guess with no science behind it.
2). Some have e-mailed SOPUS and asked and the responses were both yes and no to the GTL content question.
3). Some have speculated a blend with percentages such as 40% GTL with the remaining differece being Group III and additive pack.
4). SOPUS cannot let Quaker State beat its more premium designated brother Pennzoil which does identify the use of GTL but again at what percentages do each have?
5). I, and I suspect many others, will never subcribe to extended oil change intervals beyond 5K which seems to be the main marketing difference between QS FS and UP so is there trully a benefit for a oil rated 20K?
6). GTL allows for lower additive pack levels such as ZDDP, Molybdenum and detergents and I've read a 5W30 Blackstone lab virgin analysis that matched this statement however if both oils meet the same certifications, does it matter how they got there?
7). Finally, prior to the recent shortages with price hikes, I get the argument of "for $3 extra dollars, why not?" My answer is since SOPUS is not being transparent to the consumer with Ultamate Protection's real advantages and GTL content, I'd rather save the $3 and know at least what I am paying for.

 

[stanlee]

5). SOPUS cannot let Quaker State beat its more premium designated brother Pennzoil which does identify the use of GTL but again at what percentages do each have?

90% of the population has no clue Pennzoil and Quaker State are Shell products. I’d bet my life, at least before recent oil supply shortages, Pennzoil platinum and QS Ultimate Protection were the same and Pennzoil synthetic (not platinum) and QS full synthetic were the same. People buy oil on brand loyalty. The only reason QS still exists is to retain the brand loyalists left and there would be no benefit to separately blending the same tiers. No better way to lose sales than to yourself.

 

[walterjay]

I just snagged two 5 quart jugs of Quaker State Ultimate Protection from WM for $23.95 each

 

[KCJeep]

I just snagged two 5 quart jugs of Quaker State Ultimate Protection from WM for $23.95 each

Can’t beat it!

 

[KCJeep]

To those who have stated (in this thread and others) that Quaker State Ultimate Protection Full Synthetic is a GTL oil...

I would be very happy if that is the case. Please point me to the evidence.

I’m convinced. All the subtle indicators are there even if (understandably) Shell is keeping it on the down low.

1) It’s on the SDS.
2) The add pack appears near identical to the full syn, yet it costs 3 dollars more.
3) The PDS indicates much better MRV numbers = base oil.
4) They slap 20k on the bottle, the only other oil they dare to do this with is Pennzoil Ultra Platinum.

I find all that to make it pretty obvious. I’m done leading horses to water. With the GTL issues I expect this oil will quietly slip away, or lose its 20k rating at the very least.

 

[kschachn]

I've been on the sidelines reading all the forums everywhere and three years latter the bottom line from my observation is,

1). There is no mention of Quaker State's Ultamate Protection's GTL content. QS won't label it anywhere on the bottler or web page so it's all a guess with no science behind it.
2). Some have e-mailed SOPUS and asked and the responses were both yes and no to the GTL content question.
3). Some have speculated a blend with percentages such as 40% GTL with the remaining differece being Group III and additive pack.
4). SOPUS cannot let Quaker State beat its more premium designated brother Pennzoil which does identify the use of GTL but again at what percentages do each have?
5). I, and I suspect many others, will never subcribe to extended oil change intervals beyond 5K which seems to be the main marketing difference between QS FS and UP so is there trully a benefit for a oil rated 20K?
6). GTL allows for lower additive pack levels such as ZDDP, Molybdenum and detergents and I've read a 5W30 Blackstone lab virgin analysis that matched this statement however if both oils meet the same certifications, does it matter how they got there?
7). Finally, prior to the recent shortages with price hikes, I get the argument of "for $3 extra dollars, why not?" My answer is since SOPUS is not being transparent to the consumer with Ultamate Protection's real advantages and GTL content, I'd rather save the $3 and know at least what I am paying for.

Some certainly have speculated, that’s true. Crazy stuff.

 

[Techdata Junky]

On this and other forums one does get the feeling that Quaker State is considered the very low budget end right next to Kirkland or Supertech which all have been proven great oils and besides QS usually having double molybdenum over the other two, there is little difference with Quaker State lab numbers. All use a Group III which is in most every oil on the Walmart shelf. I'm 60 and have a long history using Quaker State starting with conventional 45 years ago since I started driving and changing my own oil and then switched to QS synthetic blend when it came out and then to full synthetic and yes, I was asking the same quetion even back then with what's the advantage of moving to each of those for several dollars more when conventional was wworking perfectly fine year round. I did the oild changes for all mine, my wife's and my father and sisters car which they all ran them close to 300k before trading them in or selling them in perfect runing condition for a newer models. I ran two of my own well 400K with my current 1999 Lexus RX300 at 416K and running perfectly and with not one bit of oil buring oil and when I did the occasional valve cover gasket, the heads were super clean. I guess for me as I get older if it works, what's the point of spending even a few dollars more for something else such as ultamate protection with an alleged percentage of GTL mixed in over a standard Group III full synthetic? Now if there is a documeted breakdown with two identical vehicles running Mojave Desert between the two and of course I want which held up and which didn't.