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No the 3160 doesn't do OBDI but the 3140 does. You give up a lot of capability when you get the dual capability. Really though most obdi's can be jumpered with a simple wire or or maybe test light on a Ford.I don't really see too many OBDI's around and you can usually fix them with just the code.

If it were me going with the Innova, I'd want either the 3130 or the 3160. but if you have some older cars you might want the dual capability.
 
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Thanks, seems Amazon has the 3160 for $180 which includes shipping. Boy do I wish I was working!!!!!!!!!! I have a simple tester for the Fords where you count a blinking light [ a PIA]. I thought something better would be helpful. But to tell you the truth this idea is something that just came over me so I have to do some more homework.

I'm still trying to figure out what to do with the Fuel injectors in my E-150. That's in another thread.......LOL So much time so little cash!

What about those testers that guys leave hooked up all the time in these newer cars, they sound good too. This is pretty new to me, and I know AD is interested too, at least he told me he was, so I don't think I'm hi-jacking his thread.
 
A 3160 for $180 sounds like a good deal. Sounds like you might want an OBD and ODBII combo though. That actron OBD II scanner I posted about earlier sounded like a good deal too. And maybe you don't relly need the little extras of the top of the line models.

I haven't really used the Scan Guage a lot of people talk about. As I understand it, scan guage gives you about what info the top of the line scanners do but cost just as much or more and you have to supply the lap top. To me that sounds like a lot to pay for just software and some cable, and I don't like the idea of lugging an expensive and fragile lap top to a car that wasn't really designed for automotive type enviroments.
 
The Scangauge is an entirely self contained unit, no laptop needed. It gives all the basic capabilities of any scan tool without a lot of the descriptive text and large screen. The display is small because it is tailored for always in use MPG minder.

AutoEnginuity and ELM based scanners require a laptop.
 
Thanks, I really thought the scan guage required a lap top. Maybe it was the other ones you mentioned. I will take another look at scan gauge.
 
OK I see the ScanGauge II now. It looks like a neat little tool. Maybe before I was looking at the original ScanGauge and it wasn't self-contained, not really sure now. It seems like it is geared more towards getting info displayed from your car than for diagnostics like the other scanners. I can't really say that for sure since I haven't usd one. And this part sounds interesting, "Make and store up to 10 rewritable special codes to send to the vehicle computer". So does it have some bidirectional diagnostic capability or no?

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Originally Posted By: ADFD1
The guy at parts store told my GF it was against the law to clear the code. I can understand why, I wonder if a $20 bill would have cleared it.

She started it up about 4 times today, I turned the key from the on to off position w/o starting it at least half a dozen times.

Should we drive it a while, or should I disconnect the battery and then drive it a while? I know this code means that it is strictly an emission thing, and not something that will effect drivability of the Jeep.

Would gassing it up do anything? She said a while ago she was trying to round off the $$$$ on the pump and spilled a little gas, but that might have been 2 tanks ago.

She had a car totaled by a dealer a few years back, and is sick at the thought of taking her Jeep in. Now you guys can understand why I'm posting here.


I have heard it is against he law to reset codes but NEVER have I seen the law that says it.
 
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
If you don't care about ABS codes, this Actron looks like a good deal. I don't think Actrons do ABS, not sure. I don't know which is better between the Innova and Actron. I haven't used the Actron much.


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Actron does have an ABS scanner but I am not sure if it is just for ABS or if it reads CEL codes also. Advance sells it for 100 and the part number is CP9449.
 
Yeah I've seen the Actron ABS code readers but I haven't seen an Actron OBDII scanner that also reads ABS codes. The Innova has a couple that do.
 
UPDATE: It has been a few days, the GF's Jeep is fine. Glad this thread headed in a new direction got me wanting a Scangauge II or 3160 for myself. I will be getting newer wheels myself or driving the GF's Jeep more. Scanguage II is cheaper. I don't care much about driving with it hooked up all the time unless it can tell temp of the engine oil. Can either one do that? Which is better for diagnostics?
 
Scangauge II is designed to be permanently installed in the vehicle. It can give you code but for the price you pay, you can get much better scanner. You buy Scangauge for its functionality of monitoring your vehicle, especially the mileage. The code reading functionality is an after-thought.

Amazon sells many different brands including Actron, Innova, Autel etc. If you have HF store nearby, you can get good deals after coupon/sale on their code readers which are essentially re-branded Autel units. I picked one up few months ago which does everything, including graphing for $100 (but NO ABS).

- Vikas
 
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I was going to mention that Harbor Freight has a decent scanner that reads live data and is CAN compatible and you can get 20% off coupons in the back of popular science magazines.
 
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
"Make and store up to 10 rewritable special codes to send to the vehicle computer".

Standard engine codes are regulated by the government and must be the same for all manufacturers. If any of the required codes are not supported correctly the ECM will be subject to recall. Each code must be implemented or emulated in the exact same way so all OBD-II scanners including the Scangauge can show all required OBD-II codes without requiring constant updates.

Special codes for the rest of the engine, bidirectional controls, and all the other systems are all different between manufacturers, change from year to year, and can be highly model specific. Codes for a ZR6 would likely be very different than codes for a Cavalier. To purchase the code standards and implement everything each year is an expensive task which ensures that the full function scanners are well out of reach of the DIYer. Generally the more advanced the implementation the less manufacturers will be covered so for Snap-on and others to support many manufactures much advanced functionality must be skipped. Some codes require so much work and testing to implement each year that they will only be supported by the manufacturer's official scan tool. Such scanners support only a single manufacturer, are the highest priced, and are updated each year for all the new models so purchase is typically limited to dealerships.

AutoXray, Actron, and Equus do implement a small amount of special functionality with extended engine data, ABS, and transmission special codes but as yet are not trying too hard to eat away at the expensive scanner market.

The X-gauge function of the Scangauge allows it to display read-only special codes. Scangauge has published some common ones. Others will be hard to get if supported at all since they are proprietary and licensed. X-gauge allows the Scangauge to read a few codes that other low cost scanners don't offer.

The Scangauge is not able to actuate bidirectional controls even if you had the codes.
 
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Some really good info there severach. I also hate how GM as far as I know requires you to buy a subscription for all of its models PCM programming when you might just want it for one particular model, or how you have to buy all models service information. Then when your subcription runs out, zap, your software you paid for no longer has access, or at least that's what happened to me before. Definitely not geared to the Diyer or the aftermarket.

I think with if you get a good deal on a $200 Innova or Actron you are getting most of the stuff that a much more expensive nonfactory scanner has.
 
I bought a $650 dollar specialized scanner for my Discovery. With all the issues these things have and all the electronics it has paid for itself as opposed to $100 a pop dealer diagnosis and then taking it back to get cleared. It also allows be to do things like electronically bleed brakes and check each electronic switch which is great for troubleshooting. I'm not sure what there is available for each model of car but you would be amazed what is out there in aftermarket diagnostic tools.
 
Just the fact that a gas cap can trigger a CEL, and a dealer charging over $100 to reset it makes the scanner worth it. That and the fact that knowing what is wrong even if it is a warranty item is always a good thing.

Electronically bleeding brakes, that is pretty cool, something I knew nothing about. There is a lot of truth in the saying you get what you pay for.
 
My scanner fantasy is to have a small durable laptop that has icons for all the makes and models you can click on and gives you full factory scanner ability, bidirectional, PCM flshing etc. Then I'd want extras like ocilliscope ability and 4 gas analyzer that can be plugged to the lap top. This software of course would only cost a few hundred bucks in my scanner fantasy lol.
 
I'd love to be able to flash programming too. The less a dealer touches my car the better.
 
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