Pre-2010 Big Rigs Banned From California Roads

[Dave1027]

Question: Is it impossible for pre 2010 semi's to meet current emission standards?

Both of my vehicles are pre 2010. They both run perfectly and always pass smog. You could eat off the inside of their tail pipes. I'd put them up against most post 2010 vehicles I see on the road.

 

[edyvw]

These pissed off truckers are going to make sure CA is not anymore 5th largest economy in the world

 

[edyvw]

Question: Is it impossible for pre 2010 semi's to meet current emission standards?

Both of my vehicles are pre 2010. They both run perfectly and always pass smog. You could eat off the inside of their tail pipes. I'd put them up against most post 2010 vehicles I see on the road.

The problem is NOx in diesel engines.
Paris is excellent example. Limestone from old buildings deteriorated so much that you can actually see it without looking for it. Complements of NOx and French diesel craze in 70’s, 80’s and 90’s.

Now, think what is does to lungs.

 

[zzyzzx]

Is this to protect the rest of us and keep the California miasma from drifting eastward?

If this is part of what is considered to be California Emissions then a bunch of other states automatically adopt it. This is how California's ICE ban makes a bunch of other states do the same. Or so I understand.

 

[gathermewool]

If this is part of what is considered to be California Emissions then a bunch of other states automatically adopt it. This is how California's ICE ban makes a bunch of other states do the same. Or so I understand.

In some green, but not-as-green-as-CA states, I don’t think that some things would fly. I would actively get involved to prevent an OPE ban, for instance, unless MAYBE there were exceptions, like generators, and maybe if there were incentives (I don’t see anything wrong with dipping into my neighbors’ pockets in the form of taxes for that!)

 

[ArrestMeRedZ]

CA:

In short, these vehicles will have to follow California’s emissions standards and hold an annual certificate from CARB validating their vehicle meets these standards. This regulation will apply no matter where the vehicle was registered, according to Camper Report.

I'm not a constitutional attorney, nor do I play one on TV, but I don't see how this will be allowed under the interstate commerce provisions in the Constitution.
California tried shenanigans when bringing in 49 state cars into the state to be registered there. Attached a $300 environmental impact fee. Took a couple of years but the court struck it down and they had to pay a lot of money back.

 

[loneryder]

Another thing for the easily-outraged to be outraged about. First EVs, then stoves, and now trucks. Have to keep the momentum going and move to a new topic before the old one gets stale.

1.5 million trucks have complied with the rule and retrofitted.

How is an additional 70,000 truck (which represents only 5% of the ones that have complied) going to "upend" the trucking industry, especially considering they've known about the rule for 15 years?

Seems like they've figured it out just fine and those 70,000 trucks are likely destined for fleets in other states or are simply at their end-of-life and not worth retrofitting.

People keep saying that they have known about these changes for years. No true. Remember about 1.5 years ago and the California ports back up? That was partly
because that previous summer the state “amended “ the carb rules to exclude trucks over. 10 yrs old. Some companies tried to set up border terminals to transfer to compliant tractors. It was expensive and inefficient. I don’t know if they are still doing that.

 

[loneryder]

I was curious and found this:

Average Lifespan of Semi Trucks
An average car lasts about 200,000 miles or so. A typical semi truck can last up to around 750,000 miles or more. There have even been trucks to hit the one million mile mark! On average, a semi truck drives about 45,000 miles per year. This means that you can probably expect to get about 15 years of use out of your truck

Trucks used to last a million miles before needing an overhaul.Now they try to get between 250-500k miles before overhaul.

 

[KGMtech]

Finding an effective way to ease congestion on California Highways would produce far greater reductions in emissions than this law, and also provide tangible benefits for EVERY California driver.

Ooh, I saw a Unicorn.... got to go now.

 

[SwampSurvivor]

That's the issue. Emissions diesels are not and can not be made reliable. They're A huge expense and comically unreliable.

 

[nicholas]

The top 15 most polluted cities in the world are all in Asia. India, China, Pakistan among others. If other countries in the world had done as much as the USA and Western Europe in reducing pollution, everybody on the planet would be farting Butterflies and Unicorns!

Mexico city?

 

[gman2304]

Mexico city?

In North America, yes!

 

[skyactiv]

Many of you people have no clue.

The problem mainly affects the port truck owners which transport foreign containers and intermodal trailers from port yards, distribution centers and rail terminals. A lot of those drivers own their own truck or it's a small fleet. Those trucks are usually bought worn out and are "hand me downs".

Your not going to buy a new Kenworth to transport foreign containers from Long Beach to the Amazon DC in San Bernardino and make a living.

California receives a lot of cheap foreign goods though it's ports that are distributed throughout the USA. A lot of vegetables, fruits and nuts arew grown in the California Central Valley.

Lots and lots of refrigerated semi trailers are loaded with perishables that get put on trains and head east. 80% of the U.S. population lives east of the 98th meridian.

Because of the pandemic, there is a huge backlog of new semis. There is also a parts shortage for existing semis. There needs to be a delay in the requirement, but it shouldn't be pushed forever like the REAL ID that was supposed to take effect in 2008.

And as a side note, instead of throwing all your money in the Wall St casino, land is not being made. Might wanna invest in land west of the 98th.

 

[edyvw]

I'm not a constitutional attorney, nor do I play one on TV, but I don't see how this will be allowed under the interstate commerce provisions in the Constitution.
California tried shenanigans when bringing in 49 state cars into the state to be registered there. Attached a $300 environmental impact fee. Took a couple of years but the court struck it down and they had to pay a lot of money back.

Nope, CARB cannot “make” states do something.
Colorado already opted out from ICE ban.

But, CA is the most important state in the economic terms. It is not just CA GDP, but type of work force etc.
it is laughable to think even for a second that somehow, someone is going to “stand up” to this and register vehicle elsewhere. They will keep doing business as before.

 

[Tomioka]

Many of you people have no clue.

The problem mainly affects the port truck owners which transport foreign containers and intermodal trailers from port yards, distribution centers and rail terminals. A lot of those drivers own their own truck or it's a small fleet. Those trucks are usually bought worn out and are "hand me downs".

The trucks we just got at the trucking company I work at are CA hand-me-downs. They are 09-10 Peterbilt's with CA tags given to us from our mainland branch as "brand new".

They have ~500,000mi on them already.

 

[svtrit]

When I lived in the Central Valley, tomato harvest was hauled to the cannery in old day cab trucks with dual dump trailers. Cotton was picked up in old trucks with custom beds to pick up the modules. I’m not sure those uses can pay for new trucks, which were only used a couple months a year. The new round bale cotton will make it easier to transition to new trucks, but tomato harvest won’t.

All the diesel irrigation pumps on the farm were updated, via the CA taxpayers and the old ones had holes punched in the block. Same with old tractors, and they could not be sold to out of state buyers. Seemed very wasteful to me, as all that equipment was prematurely destroyed.

It’s a tough balance between freedom to operate and clean air. Anyone who has visited other parts of the world know that even the Central Valley of CA is clean compared to them.

 

[Snagglefoot]

Can anyone shed some light on the emsssions differences between a 2023 and a 2019 model? I know the late models can be very troublesome and are very intensive with the computer controls. I noticed that particulate filters seem to be a big deal.

 

[Ignatius]

Being someone who is involved in the transportation industry I welcome this because I want every reason to stay out of California

 

[tnt_motorsports]

Well It's not like nobody was aware as the legislation was announced in 2008 and the state set aside $1B to aid business owners with compliance (ex. fitting DPF).

I’d rather stay out of California than put emissions equipment on a truck.

Just my $0.02

 

[JeffKeryk]

These pissed off truckers are going to make sure CA is not anymore 5th largest economy in the world

Actually 4th. We edged out Germany in 2022.