PQIA Test Results - AMSOIL SAE 5W-30 Motor Oil

[MolaKule]

I could tell by Moly and Boron count.

How could you judge an oil's performance by looking at 2 elements in a VOA? How do you know what types of Boron or MoDTC compounds are incorporated in an additive package?

 

[JWB]

How could you judge an oil's performance by looking at 2 elements in a VOA? How do you know what types of Boron or MoDTC compounds are incorporated in an additive package?

I never said I could judge performance. I said I could tell you if it would be considered "boutique". Any Moly between 65 and 85 is Tri and anything over 300 is not. Boron will shift between brands but ALL boutique will have a PPM over 250.

 

[cheesepuffs2]

That's what Mobil 1 says to every customer that buys their Full Synthetic Super named oil. No difference.

The difference is that Mobil Super sells for literally half the price of Amsoil OE.

 

[Pablo]

The difference is that Mobil Super sells for literally half the price of Amsoil OE.

And OE is a better formulated oil.

 

[cheesepuffs2]

And OE is a better formulated oil.

Will a car that lasts 200,000 miles in daily driving conditions and has routine oil changes at regular intervals have a noticeably different experience running Amsoil OE instead of Mobil Super Full Synthetic?

 

[JWB]

The difference is that Mobil Super sells for literally half the price of Amsoil OE.

With a much lower HTHS, higher NOACK and weaker base stock.

 

[Intelligent Molecule]

A good old fashion Amsoil cage match. Makes me want to pour a bottle of AutoRX into the '91 Subaru with PYB chaser.

 

[JWB]

Will a car that lasts 200,000 miles in daily driving conditions and has routine oil changes at regular intervals have a noticeably different experience running Amsoil OE instead of Mobil Super Full Synthetic?

Don't know. Never tried it. However, my money spent to my piece of mind is not wasted. Only I can say I am wasting my money and where I place my trust.

 

[cheesepuffs2]

With a much lower HTHS, higher NOACK and weaker base stock.

Something tells me that for a daily driver it really doesn't matter.

 

[RDY4WAR]

I never said I could judge performance. I said I could tell you if it would be considered "boutique". Any Moly between 65 and 85 is Tri and anything over 300 is not. Boron will shift between brands but ALL boutique will have a PPM over 250.

There's several oils with >300 ppm trinuclear MoDTC. There's boutique oils with <100 ppm Mo and some with 0 ppm Mo. Moly isn't suitable for every formula. Oil formulating is a balancing act with very few constants. Adding 300 ppm MoDTC, regardless of type, may improve the CoF of one formula but hurt the CoF of another.

There's also some boutique formulas with 0 ppm boron.

 

[Yolo]

And OE is a better formulated oil.

Than Super yes Sir but don’t forget there’s a plain vanilla Mobil Synthetic (not to be confused with Mobil 1). Or are they the same just marketed differently? Now I’m confused

 

[JWB]

Than Super yes Sir but don’t forget there’s a plain vanilla Mobil Synthetic (not to be confused with Mobil 1). Or are they the same just marketed differently? Now I’m confused

Let's all stop with a cold PBR and Supertech. Cars still running fine in 5 years and we still arguing

 

[RDY4WAR]

Will a car that lasts 200,000 miles in daily driving conditions and has routine oil changes at regular intervals have a noticeably different experience running Amsoil OE instead of Mobil Super Full Synthetic?

It certainly can. My MIL's Buick LeSabre 3800 V6 had the oil changed religiously every 3k miles at Jiffy Lube. At 130k miles, it was burning a quart of oil every 1k miles. This was in the filter after an interval with HPL EC. After 2 more intervals, the consumption slowed from 1 qt/1k miles to 0.5 qt/3k miles. I'm currently dealing with a Scion xd (118k miles) with the same consumption issue and poor leakdown numbers despite consistent 3-4k mile oil changes. I can honestly say, that of the many engines I've followed that have used boutique synthetic formulas from the get-go, they don't have this problem.

 

[TurboZedd-R]

I'm not wrapped up either, same here. I'm just against products that ride the coattails of a reputation and charge out the nose for just the name and perception.

I don't see how any of us win when we cave to buying an oil like that. If anything, that sets a precedent that more oils can be up-charging us for merely perceived benefits. No thanks.

https://blog.amsoil.com/what-amsoil...0nJ5a2fgpy-Fx39CKsJwBYaRjT67HAmRoCQjEQAvD_BwE
Looks like OE is labeled appropriately, if you misinterpret OE for SS that is stupidity on the consumers part.
I'm confused where Amsoil is riding coat tails, they are pretty transparent and cite every single one of their claims with testing research.
The explicitly label going above industry testing standards that is backed up by their testing. Other oils like mobil 1, castrol, etc, say they are x times better but don't actually show lab testing or data, but people gobble it up because of their reputation.. sounds a lot like riding on coat tails.

 

[JWB]

They aren't.

 

[Patman]

Will a car that lasts 200,000 miles in daily driving conditions and has routine oil changes at regular intervals have a noticeably different experience running Amsoil OE instead of Mobil Super Full Synthetic?

Yes, the engine running Amsoil should be cleaner so it would likely consume less oil and get better MPG

 

[cheesepuffs2]

Yes, the engine running Amsoil should be cleaner so it would likely consume less oil and get better MPG

You would need two identical engines running an identical amount of hours in identical conditions and to tear them both down at a prescribed time to ever prove that.

The reality is that many cars are running basic "just meets the spec" blends from quicklubes and run fine all the way through their existence. Oil burning is usually related to a design flaw or poor maintenance such as a PCV that needs replacement.

 

[RDY4WAR]

You would need two identical engines running an identical amount of hours in identical conditions and to tear them both down at a prescribed time to ever prove that.

The reality is that many cars are running basic "just meets the spec" blends from quicklubes and run fine all the way through their existence. Oil burning is usually related to a design flaw or poor maintenance such as a PCV that needs replacement.

You think that hasn't been done? How do you think boutique brands do their R&D?

https://blog.amsoil.com/a-look-inside-the-amsoil-mechanical-lab/

Also, if this is really your stance.... why are you on BITOG? I'm genuinely curious. It's like someone going on a meat grilling/smoking forum to argue that people live to 100 years old on chitlins.

 

[ARCOgraphite]

Some newbie revived this old thread to troll, but since I s-trolled by, I will add that this Amsoil O.E. is Not stingy with the Phosphorous as I have seen a couple VOA here of well regarded product testing well below the 600ppm API min lately. Unforgivable.

Now, as Scotty says almost weekly ...
"Bye!"