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Interesting, but it also doesn't seem to make the best sense to me. I don't have a physics degree so bare with me!

Just by speculation, warm intake versus cold intake, with both of these there is plenty of nonrestrictive airflow available to the engine (versus stock air box arrangement).

In general, more energy is available for the engine with the cold air intake. You will get more power out of the same volume of air. So to create enough acceleration to get the car to 25mph lets say, it will need less air to create this acceleration because the O2 available is more dense, therefor, should result in slightly lower RPM.

A warm intake, which will draw in less dense air will need more RPM to create the same acceleration as the cold air intake. The result *should* be the same acceleration, but more RPM to get the same HP, as the hot O2 has less energy.

So wouldn't less RPM with the CAI result in better mileage? I know the difference is probably very small, but it should be there to an extent.

I know in an introductory engineering class I took a few years ago, we talked about the efficiency of engines. The hotter it is, the more efficient it will be. So this could hold some truth toward the WAI side of the argument, but, hot air won't mean a hotter engine. In terms of the heat inside of the combustion chamber, the air being +-15* or so will hardly make any difference.

Again, this is just me thinking out loud not saying anybody is right/wrong. Just speculation.

I wish some company would do a direct comparison between WAI verus CAI, preferably done independently so no "influences" can be made.
 
It sounds like the issue is keeping the engine out of vacuum, thereby reducing pumping losses. I dunno, it's pretty standard hypermiler stuff.
 
ethanol is a total joke. Cost more to produce, wastes energy to produce and you use more of it than gas.

But its a feel good joke.

We have a lot of those lately...
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Bill

PS: When we had it here we saw the mpg drop also.
 
Originally Posted By: panthermike
Originally Posted By: sparkplug
My Jeep gets around 20 mpg mixed driving with 100% pure gasoline. About 15-16 on E10. Lowest has been 13 on E10.

My Z28 gets 18 city and 34 on the highway regardless of pure gas or E10. Kinda makes me wonder..

All hand calculated over at least two fill ups.


34 on the highway out of a Z28? You're a lucky man.



Yeah, I don't drive it very hard. I give a lot of credit to the exhaust, CAI, full ignition and a stellar tune.
 
Originally Posted By: sparkplug
Originally Posted By: panthermike
Originally Posted By: sparkplug
My Jeep gets around 20 mpg mixed driving with 100% pure gasoline. About 15-16 on E10. Lowest has been 13 on E10.

My Z28 gets 18 city and 34 on the highway regardless of pure gas or E10. Kinda makes me wonder..

All hand calculated over at least two fill ups.


34 on the highway out of a Z28? You're a lucky man.



Yeah, I don't drive it very hard. I give a lot of credit to the exhaust, CAI, full ignition and a stellar tune.


Cool, I bet when you open it up some, it feels good
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No 34 mpg, but more fun!
 
^^^That's really good for the Z/28. My 2004 Impala 3.4 best ever on the highway was 34. It averages 28 combined driving and has never done less than 23 mpg with all stop & go driving. The 2008 Colorado extended cab, 2.9 4 cyl., auto is a different story. Averages 23 combined, worst ever was 19, best ever 26. I would have thought a compact truck would do a little better than that, but I guess when you add ext cab and auto to a 4 cyl it takes away from the mileage.
 
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Originally Posted By: sparkplug
Originally Posted By: panthermike
Originally Posted By: sparkplug
My Jeep gets around 20 mpg mixed driving with 100% pure gasoline. About 15-16 on E10. Lowest has been 13 on E10.

My Z28 gets 18 city and 34 on the highway regardless of pure gas or E10. Kinda makes me wonder..

All hand calculated over at least two fill ups.


34 on the highway out of a Z28? You're a lucky man.



Yeah, I don't drive it very hard. I give a lot of credit to the exhaust, CAI, full ignition and a stellar tune.

Isn' the engine loping along at 1500-1600 rpm at 60mph in 6th? Why more cars with 6spd's don't have a really tall 6th is a mystery to me, I guess people can't be trusted to downshift.
 
we were told that ethanol caused problems with the underground fuel system at several convenience stores ( same company ) , so went back to non-ethanol . Hope this won't be the case for our vehicles in the long run . Seems to me that an higher octane with ethanol would slow done the consumption of gas in your vehicle . Tried this several times versus lower octane with ethonal and gas mileage seemed to improve . Maybe others should try this to see if similar results .
 
Originally Posted By: CROWNVIC4LIFE
Originally Posted By: fordboy
To bad to say for my Ford truck.


What truck>Ford 250?


1993 F-150
 
Originally Posted By: IndyIan
Originally Posted By: sparkplug
Originally Posted By: panthermike
Originally Posted By: sparkplug
My Jeep gets around 20 mpg mixed driving with 100% pure gasoline. About 15-16 on E10. Lowest has been 13 on E10.

My Z28 gets 18 city and 34 on the highway regardless of pure gas or E10. Kinda makes me wonder..

All hand calculated over at least two fill ups.


34 on the highway out of a Z28? You're a lucky man.



Yeah, I don't drive it very hard. I give a lot of credit to the exhaust, CAI, full ignition and a stellar tune.

Isn' the engine loping along at 1500-1600 rpm at 60mph in 6th? Why more cars with 6spd's don't have a really tall 6th is a mystery to me, I guess people can't be trusted to downshift.


Yeah, 1200 at 55 mph and 1500 at 65.
 
My last four tanks in the Passat 1.8:

24.4
21.4
24.4
22.9

Lots of short trips which hits the mileage pretty hard. Therefore, I prefer to focus on cost per day:

$2.39
$1.84
$2.22
$1.59

The higher the mileage, the higher my fuel costs, because it means I drove farther. So, low mpg ain't all bad.
 
Originally Posted By: sparkplug

Originally Posted By: IndyIan

Isn' the engine loping along at 1500-1600 rpm at 60mph in 6th? Why more cars with 6spd's don't have a really tall 6th is a mystery to me, I guess people can't be trusted to downshift.

Yeah, 1200 at 55 mph and 1500 at 65.


My 2004 S2000 is at 3300-3400 rpm at 65mph, and it is at 6th gear. I wish it has 10-15% taller 6th.
 
91 Mazda 626 (pre-o2 sensor replacement): 24-ish mpg
same car after replacing o2 sensor: over 30mpg! super lazy o2 sensor for sure.

00 Volvo V70: 22city/29hwy
 
1992 Acura Legend averages 20 mpg. Summer slightly more, winter slightly less. 50/50 highway/city driving.

2008 Honda Civic averages 30 mpg heavy city driving. More on highway trips. Mi gusta exceptional aerodynamics and a highly efficient 4 cyl engine.
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Not bad considering the A/C compressor is ALWAYS kicking on, winter or summer, whenever the climate control system is turned on. (Which is all of the time around here)
 
'08 YARIS sedan w/ 4 speed auto : 43.04 m.p.g. with SUNOCO 91 octane w/ 10% ethanol : 268 miles divided by 6.17 gallons of SUNOCO 91 octane . Our best tank since late OCTOBER , which was 40 m.p.g. with 4 studded COOPER Weather-Master ST-2 tires . I believe this tank was the winter blend .
 
correction : 265.8 miles divided by 6.175 gallons of gas . Many steep hills , occupants : about 1/3 one person , 2/3 2 people , very windy , some wet roads , around 30% city / 70% City , and average of 60 degrees . Stopped fill at 1 click of gas nozzle ( as always ) . New DENSO ( TOYO ) air filter at about 10,000 miles and SHELL 5w-30 Full Synthetic motor oil .
 
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