Wait few posts, and it will be compared to Koenigsegg.
Few people brought Tesla here at local track, High Plains Raceway. It is extremely technical track. Never seen them again, although owner installed two chargers. They did poorly, mostly related to crappy brakes.
I just don't understand why everyone thinks a performance car by default should be good at multiple laps. The only ones that are happen to be track specials or highly modified. Most street brakes no matter how aggressive from the factory are smoked in 3 laps. If they weren't they wouldn't be grabby enough in a non spirited emergency stop. The ones that aren't in the case of German cars tend to be a $10k option. It's made even worse with the Tesla performance models at over 4k lbs. I'll take a decent chassis on a back road any day, though I think on a Performance they probably could use some slightly better brakes. It's definitely enough for the RWD for spirited road use. I've had street cars with track brakes. They are a bear to deal with on cold days with noise and bad engagement until they heat up.
This is funny.
Actually this is nothing new. In 1965 Car and Driver (?) did a comparison between a 65 Pontiac GTO and a 65 Ferrari GTO. They gave the Pontiac the win. Years later, they did 2 comparisons; 1 of cars over $60K (?) and 1 of under. The Honda Prelude won the lower priced group; I forget the higher priced group winner but Porsche, Ferrari and others were included. In fairness, the tests were not on a track; they were more real world. Afterward they did a ridiculous comparison between the 2 winners. The expensive car won but not by that much. Who knows, maybe they wanted to sell some magazines?
You're going to have to fill me in on why this is funny. EV performance cars are heavy and heavy brakes zap range. Porsche decided to go for better brakes instead of better range. I think many of us would agree Tesla went a little too light in this category anyway. Tesla does offer it as an option on the Plaid as part of a top speed package, but I don't know how good those brakes are either.
There's more than one brake option for their cars for a reason. The laws of physics don't change because it has a Porsche badge on it. They may outlast many other cars mostly because they've paid attention to weight unlike some other manufacturers, but heat and brake fade can and will still make themselves known on standard steel brakes. There's a reason why they offer the carbon ceramics. It's not for stronger braking, it's for longer life and less fade in track conditions.
No ceramics are exactly what you don’t want for track use. Iron is better.
Iron is cheaper to replace and maintain which is exactly what this says.
Don't make weird claims then. Of course the Porsche will have better brakes even in it's most basic form compared to a Tesla, but that's completely different than what you said.
I have driven my 2006 Cayman, a 2023 GT3, and TurboS on the track. I didn’t look at the brake fluid, I didn’t look at the pads, and drove as fast as I knew how. Absolutely no worries, and no issues with the brakes. Tires went away, brakes did not, nor will the brakes go away on street tires. I’m not sure what I said that contradicts any of this or is a “weird” claim.
I do not understand why you assume that is the case?
What the average person considers a performance vehicle or at least is labeled as such and what actually performs is two different things. Most "performance" badged vehicles are heavy street vehicles with more power. My line of thinking is more where yours is, but that's not what the market has done. These performance badges are marketing terms for most. That's why I don't assume the brakes are up to the task with anything heavy, regardless of its performance intentions.
Well, that depends how is executed. BMW 335 F30 has 340X30mm front rotor or 370X30mm if opted for. Good thing is, you can bolt on 370 onto same knuckle as 340. Heck, this year, I bolted 340mm from F30 onto my E90 328 using Brembo calipers from 335/340i F30. and a master cylinder from M3 E90. That is why these cars are popular. They do not require too much investment. Bit search on eBay, brush to clean calipers, piston rubber seals, etc., and voila.
Tesla relies too much on regenerative braking too, which is ok at low street speeds. I have assisted friction braking shut off and letting off at 70mph feels like regular engine braking or standard drag that drivetrain causes, which I'm sure only makes things worse as the battery at motor heats up and limits regenerative braking. Now you're leaning on the friction brakes completely. I had a 2004 GTO which weighed the same as the RWD Model 3 and had brakes designed to fit in the stock 17" wheels and the whole chassis started out as the Opel Omega(Cadillac Catera in the US). It was a great car, but it was street car in the strictest sense without brake upgrades and bigger wheels. The big selling point was that it had all this Corvette equipment, but the Corvette at the time had to be 600-700lbs lighter. It was a stark contrast from the Boxster I was looking at during that time, but I sided with two extra seats and a V8. It was fun, but definitely not the same experience.
