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Are you saying that the quote is wrong or that he is no longer an idiot?



With all due respect to anyone who dons a bulletproof vest and exercises their authority along the lines of excellence in a demanding vocation filled with obstacles to master and loads of frustrations....


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Hey, there are pros and there are CS cops. I was disappointed to see the Va. State Police cowering behind their cars at Va Tech that morning with all their killing gear while one psycho wandered the halls killing people with a handgun. I've been disappointed in the past to see a cop grab one guy on a motorcycle out of a pack of cars doing 75/65 because it's an easy bust. By and large, cops aren't cops anymore, they're civil servants waiting for their pension. Or a move up to federal service. Along the way they want it easy. And safe.

Face it, many big-city and country P.D.'s demand a degree now, which of course, after a few years on the street enables them to move to Federal service (the Feebs, DEA, Treasury, whatever) which takes them further from the street and into the ether. Drones, warrantless searches, taps, domestic surveillance, it's all on the table for enactment. People must be ok with it, I hear hardly a peep of dissent from anyone that matters. And those are the big issues.

Instead, the media takes the easy route and endlessly plays the tapes from cops giving a mutt that ran from a simple traffic stop the roughing up he deserves when they finally catch him. They take issue with a cop shooting someone that clearly had it coming. But the Constitutional issues, except from the Op/Ed pundits, never get air time, and frankly, I don't know that the folks at the grass roots care. But that's how it creeps up, incrementally and slowly. Before you know it, you're fresh out of the old protections and there's no rolling back.
 
Yep. The police state won't arrive overnight. It will have surges due to exceptional events ..but mostly it will be adopted as remedies for "symptoms and side effects" of delinquencies in our society. Since the precursors of the symptoms and side effects are not addressed, then the authoritarian coping mechanisms seem to make sense. Eventually protection for the population morphs into protection from the population. It's just a matter of time.
 
Originally Posted By: XS650
Are you saying that the quote is wrong or that he is no longer an idiot?


If he is quoted correctly then it's obviously a foolish comment.

If he was an idiot a year ago it is unlikely that he has made a radical improvement in such a short time frame.

The fact that it was made a year prior to the event the newspaper was reporting on, that it was provided second hand to the reporter by an member of the opposing viewpoint and the second-hand source was not even identified by the newspaper makes me question the accuracy of the quote. The fact that the guy quoted may have had nothing to do with the raid in question shows how far the reporter is stretching to make his point.

Somehow the donuts, burn outs, burned rubber marks and complaining locals, stolen car parts never made it to the original story.
 
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Originally Posted By: oilyriser
Maybe the delinquents will eventually outnumber the productive people, and it will look like a good idea at the time.


Now that's depressing. I was at least hoping the oppressive uber-state some these guys seem to be living in was unnecessary.
 
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Originally Posted By: oldmaninsc
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Anybody that thinks this was just a bunch of innocent kids hanging out - take a trip to this area and spend a couple of days there. If you survive, came back and give us details of the drugs, alcohol and violence you encountered!


I missed the long list of police citations that night for the problems you just mentioned. Where was it?


If you lived in this area, or knew anybody that participated in this type of thing, you would know what goes on. I have a close family member who is into this type of stuff. (By the way - I wasn't always an "old man". I WAS young once. I remember some of the things my sidekicks did.)
Obviously it wasn't mentioned in the article, but have you ever seen a group of "kids" or young people together where there wasn't alcohol involved? Do you think they were all there just hanging out, drinking Cokes? PLEASE!

Not to mention - if you ever had the misfortune of being in this area and seeing how some of these people drive - it would be obvious that they were either high or drunk or both!
 
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Originally Posted By: MonumentOiler
20 vehicles towed for "suspicion of stolen auto parts" is more than a few "too dark tint" tickets and makes me think there was more going on than just harassing the ricers for spite.

I saw that one of the kids interviewed didn't challenge that the parts on his car were stolen. He just claimed that he'd bought them from places he considered "reputable".

The cops will get blasted either way. If they wait until the crowd is liquored up and racing in the lot then they'll get blamed when the idiots start chases all over town and create havoc. If they move in before the real trouble starts then they can only enforce what they have seen and get blasted for enforcing "penny ante" violations when they could be "chasing murderers/rapists/child predators[be careful that you don't catch them too soon either].

This guy was ticketed and still sounds like he thought the police were right -
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John Ferrier got a "fix-it ticket," he said, because his car's exhaust system was too noisy. And yet the 21-year-old Moreno Valley resident said he was happy the police were cracking down on Honda drivers. He blames them for reckless maneuvers such as "burning out" and "doing doughnuts."

"That's what attracted the police attention," Ferrier said. "I'm glad they're here to stop people before they do something stupid."



Excellent points.
 
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