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Originally Posted By: XS650
Where are the usual BITOG police apologists?


They should have tazered every single one of those ricers.
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Seriously though, I'm not gonna apologize for this bee ess cause it sounds totally illegal what they did, especially searching cars. Seems like a clear cut case for a good lawyer. Sue the ever living craap out of the police department.
 
As Pablo said, you're more likely to have your civil rights violated by the local police than by sonething the feds do.

This is just one example. The problem is that local judiciaries have a vested interest in upholding the busts. The local governments don't have pockets nearly as deep as the feds.
 
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These car fans get together on private property and get hammered. This will cause more problems with a back-lash. This has happened a couple of times in Southern California. The world gets around and the response may not be what the police want.


Riverside county has already been taking away private property owners' rights. It's illegal to ride off-road vehicles on your own property, even if it is in the middle of nowhere.
 
I think Chris(fill in numbers) from Apple Valley says that you need 10 acres to ride your own ATV on your own property. He only has 5 ..and ..it is, apparently, in the middle of nowhere.
 
Not justifying their actions, by any means, BUT... Anyone stop to think that the citizens in that community were fed up with what was happening, not necessarily from that group but smaller groups which spawn from the whole and demanded action? Some of you folks get off on bashing the po-po. [censored] rolls downhill. Mayor says do it. Chief says do it. Your boss says do it, you do it. Joe Officer just doesn't decide to grab a 100 buddies from other agencies and jurisdictions and raid aparking lot. That kind of action comes from the top. As for the "private property", did they have permission to be there? If I was the owner of the shopping complex, I sure as heck wouldn't want 150 cars and the associate problems crowds of that size can draw on my property. Just because the area is available for the public doesn't mean it's "public" property. Peaceful assembly? Most areas have ordinances concerning permits being required for gatherings in excess of X people.

Personally, not my cup of tea. I used to have about 0 respect for the Ricers until I realized the talent that some have.
 
The City of Houston got itself a huge lawsuit and MASSIVE bad PR a few years back from pulling a stunt like this. I don't remember all the details, but one of the problems was that they didn't differentiate car owners from people who were accessing adjoining businesses. This gathering had gone on for a long time, and as far as I know was fairly peaceable.

Police were suspended and fired. For details Google Houston KMart Westheimer raid.
 
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Not justifying their actions, by any means, BUT... Anyone stop to think that the citizens in that community were fed up with what was happening, not necessarily from that group but smaller groups which spawn from the whole and demanded action? Some of you folks get off on bashing the po-po. [censored] rolls downhill. Mayor says do it. Chief says do it. Your boss says do it, you do it. Joe Officer just doesn't decide to grab a 100 buddies from other agencies and jurisdictions and raid aparking lot. That kind of action comes from the top.


It doesn't matter why there were 100 cops there acting like
Richard Craniums, the point is there were 100 cops there acting like Richard Craniums.

A fish rots from the head, when there are cops misbehaving it's usually because their management tolerates or encourages it.
 
Here's another recent case of the police busting someone who apparently didn't do anything other than act like someone who wanted someone to talk to. I dunno what actually happened, but a lot of people seem pretty upset about it. I don't like the trend in our government to create laws, often under the guise of "protecting us from ourselves", so that they can then write expensive tickets or fines for breaking the laws, mainly to generate income for the government. This includes seat belt laws, red light cameras, speed cameras, and the like. In IL these violations do not even count against your driving record as long as you pay the fines. That's convenient, it keeps you on the road to generate more income for them.
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"A maelstrom of outrage over Folsom man Victor Emmer’s arrest has swept through the Folsom and El Dorado County communities.

Even the American Civil Liberties Union has weighed in on the issue.

The 49-year-old Emmer was arrested at his house March 13 on suspicion of loitering where children gather after a woman’s citizen’s arrest warrant alleged Emmer had spoken to her two children at three different children’s-themed events.

Emmer has no prior offenses and is currently free on $100,000 bail.

Many community members see him being the true victim.

Emmer’s story was posted on the Telegraph’s website shortly after the arrest and has since received more than 22,000 visits from web users.

User comments, by and large, believe Emmer was wronged.

One comment reads, “The notion that you can jail people just for talking, even to children, seems very much in tension with the First Amendment.”

Another asks, “Since when is it a crime to speak to children?”"
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Full article:

http://www.edhtelegraph.com/detail/80584.html
 
We had a law a while ago that made it illegal to travel through the same intersection more than 3x in a day. Was meant to dissuade "cruising". Was sporadically enforced... eg, only against those who offended people by "cruising".
 
During the summer, we have a HUGE gathering of car enthusiasts every Saturday night in the parking lot of a large strip mall. Hot rods, muscle cars, FAST street/drag cars, harleys, crotch rockets, and ricers. All mingling and socializing. Never a problem with the cops. And people "show off" if ya know what I mean!
 
Drew - that is the environment in which the Houston raid happened, which makes the raid all the more inexplicable. We actually have scenes at various parts of town, all of them well attended and well behaved, basically just a part of the normal weekend culture of the town.

In addition, the particular gathering I described took place on Houston's main drag, THE cruising and gathering artery in town. The only difference with this gathering was that the main participants were young ricers. I have to think it was esentially an effort to target supposed drug activity rather than racing, as racing wasn't a problem in that vicinity. Maybe be a little "showing off" as you say, but nothing worth a wholesale violation of civil rghts.
 
Originally Posted By: eljefino
We had a law a while ago that made it illegal to travel through the same intersection more than 3x in a day.


I can't see how this could legally be upheld. Land of the Free? I think not.
 
Originally Posted By: XS650
Where are the usual BITOG police apologists?


If I owned the shopping center, I wouldn't want that bunch of punks congregating on my property, either. The California property owner likely feels the same way about his property that I feel about mine - if you're not there to patronize my business or my tenant's business, then go hang out somewhere else.

If you're on private property after hours with a [censored] riced out Honda and get busted by the Police and smog cops, too bad so sad. They should have had their "meet" on their own [censored] property.
 
Originally Posted By: Win
Originally Posted By: XS650
Where are the usual BITOG police apologists?


If I owned the shopping center, I wouldn't want that bunch of punks congregating on my property, either. The California property owner likely feels the same way about his property that I feel about mine - if you're not there to patronize my business or my tenant's business, then go hang out somewhere else.

If you're on private property after hours with a [censored] riced out Honda and get busted by the Police and smog cops, too bad so sad. They should have had their "meet" on their own [censored] property.


You have renewed my faith in BITOG.
 
Originally Posted By: XS650
Originally Posted By: Win
Originally Posted By: XS650
Where are the usual BITOG police apologists?


If I owned the shopping center, I wouldn't want that bunch of punks congregating on my property, either. The California property owner likely feels the same way about his property that I feel about mine - if you're not there to patronize my business or my tenant's business, then go hang out somewhere else.

If you're on private property after hours with a [censored] riced out Honda and get busted by the Police and smog cops, too bad so sad. They should have had their "meet" on their own [censored] property.


You have renewed my faith in BITOG.


Glad I could help!
 
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