Police beat up an Indian man

[MalfunctionProne]

Originally Posted By: dernp
Originally Posted By: dernp
Originally Posted By: bubbatime
I watched the video. I have lots of police experience. In fact I was kinda the "go to guy" in physical encounters (hey bubbatime, we need you at Mr. Smith's house. He is acting froggy again)

I know when to go hands on and also know when it's not required. A lot of cops are timed and don't go hands on quick enough, and things spiral out of control when they fail to take action. That being said, what I saw in the video was completely uncalled for. Assess the situation (non English speaking, possibly confused) and go from there. Cop is an idiot and should be fired.


I do my friend.

I take it you also have lots of police administration experience as well to substantiate your comments of the officer being an idiot and should be fired.


While I don't think "Police Administrative Experience" is really required here.. the Police Administrators DID fire him, and. It looks pretty obvious.

 

[Nyati]

Originally Posted By: dernp
Originally Posted By: dernp
Originally Posted By: bubbatime
I watched the video. I have lots of police experience. In fact I was kinda the "go to guy" in physical encounters (hey bubbatime, we need you at Mr. Smith's house. He is acting froggy again)

I know when to go hands on and also know when it's not required. A lot of cops are timed and don't go hands on quick enough, and things spiral out of control when they fail to take action. That being said, what I saw in the video was completely uncalled for. Assess the situation (non English speaking, possibly confused) and go from there. Cop is an idiot and should be fired.


I do my friend.

I take it you also have lots of police administration experience as well to substantiate your comments of the officer being an idiot and should be fired.


The cop WAS fired and arrested.

 

[MalfunctionProne]

Originally Posted By: cb_13
Originally Posted By: MalfunctionProne
Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
Originally Posted By: MalfunctionProne
Alabama police officer charged with assaulting Indian man

It sure seems like he was looking for his son's house, but spoke little English; seems he was unfamiliar with this country.

He got beat up.

Let's hear how we will... "spin" this. This seems to be happening every week now.


Yet when folks like you who play armchair quarterback are actually faced with what law enforcement officers deal with, the perspective usually changes.

A Walk In Their Shoes

Originally Posted By: From Article
He had to decide whether to shoot, hold fire, or use a Taser. The experience shook his ideas of what he might do if he were a cop.

"To be honest with you, his hands were straight in the air," said Quanell after one scenario. "How close were you to shooting him in your mind?" asked Missouri City Police Captain Paul Poulton. "To shooting him in the leg?" Quanell answered. "I was very close, because he kept coming."


Originally Posted By: From Article
"At what point did you actually see the knife?" KHOU 11 News Reporter Alice Barr asked. Quanell answered, "To be honest with you, I never saw the knife. I never saw the knife, but I saw him come out of his pocket with something like this. If he would have pulled a lollypop out of his pocket, the same way he just did, I still would have used force to stop him and then somebody could have said well all he had was a lollipop, but you don't know when it's happening so fast like that."


Oh, you are a cop now, too?

You cannot even identify dashboard lights, nor license plates in reality. You simply say things that aren't true, in the most serious way possible.

Personal attacks on other forum members will really help you get your point across. Seems to be really popular around here as of late.


You are wrong. Do not engage, or further propaganda

Though I was attacked as an "armchair quarterback".. ok, I won't engage the troll.

 

[MalfunctionProne]

Originally Posted By: Nyati
Originally Posted By: dernp
Originally Posted By: dernp
Originally Posted By: bubbatime
I watched the video. I have lots of police experience. In fact I was kinda the "go to guy" in physical encounters (hey bubbatime, we need you at Mr. Smith's house. He is acting froggy again)

I know when to go hands on and also know when it's not required. A lot of cops are timed and don't go hands on quick enough, and things spiral out of control when they fail to take action. That being said, what I saw in the video was completely uncalled for. Assess the situation (non English speaking, possibly confused) and go from there. Cop is an idiot and should be fired.


I do my friend.

I take it you also have lots of police administration experience as well to substantiate your comments of the officer being an idiot and should be fired.


The cop WAS fired and arrested.


+1

 

[antiqueshell]

No matter what the case if you are approached by
any law enforcement officer you should NEVER put your hands in your pockets.

If you can't speak the English language and are from
a foreign country you are STILL responsible for
being aware of the laws on the country you are in and
other procedures for that matter. Ignorance is no excuse.
If necessary you should have a fluent English speaker with you in public places as well.

[edited out unnecessary comments]

 

[MalfunctionProne]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: MolaKule


People who come here need to assimilate.


+1

 

[DuckRyder]

http://news.yahoo.com/alabama-police-officer-charged-assaulting-indian-man-062639725.html

Quote:
"He don't speak a lick of English," one of the officers says as another officers arrives at the scene.

Madison Police Chief Larry Muncey, speaking during a news conference Thursday, said Patel didn't commit any crime and the officer's actions weren't justified.


(additionally it appears the majority of the commenters here have not watched the video)

 

[stockrex]

Originally Posted By: MolaKule

If I went to a foreign country and a man in a uniform was pointing a gun and yelling at me the last thing I would do would be to put my hands in my pocket! This is ridiculous.
Quote:


Again, this is a socio-cultural difference thing. Getting stopped by police in India does not get you killed if you put your hands in your pocket, or move. Nor you can get patted down.

Maybe he was trying to reach for a phone or a paper on which an address or phone# was written ? Maybe he got uncomfortable with the pat down (touching groin etc.) ?



The police in India don't have the anti-social crazies, dope fiends, and a disrespectful populace.

When I go to France I don't get a card that says: "You can do this and can't do that."

I research the customs and speak to people in that country on their customs and societal behavior.

I worked with a lot of very nice Asian Indian people, but they knew the customs of our country.

People who come here need to assimilate.


I have been to Japan many times, before I learned the language, and I have encountered Japanese police in Tokyo and other little hick towns. I nearly always had my hands in my jacket and my face nearly covered due to the COOOOOOOOLD winter straight line winds. I never expected the police there to slam me down to the ground and go at it.
I keep hearing that it is their training the police is following, maybe they need to be trained in helping a lost tourist and be a little less paranoid.

Assimilation: what does that have to do it slamming an already handcuffed old guy to the ground?

end of the day, we taxpayers pay...

 

[antiqueshell]

Originally Posted By: stockrex


I have been to Japan many times, before I learned the language, and I have encountered Japanese police in Tokyo and other little hick towns. I nearly always had my hands in my jacket and my face nearly covered due to the COOOOOOOOLD winter straight line winds. I never expected the police there to slam me down to the ground and go at it.
I keep hearing that it is their training the police is following, maybe they need to be trained in helping a lost tourist and be a little less paranoid.

Assimilation: what does that have to do it slamming an already handcuffed old guy to the ground?

end of the day, we taxpayers pay...


In this situation the officer was engaging Patel and it was pretty clear even to a non-english speaker that he was being asked to
do something. He ignored the officers order. Ignorance and
a lack of English language proficiency is not an excuse.

 

[CT8]

Roid rage?

 

[HTSS_TR]

How a very skinny 57 year old man can pose a threat to anyone ? Especially during day time and without any type of weapon that he processes at the time ?

If the FBI is staring to investigate the matter they must have some evidences that the police officer did something wrong(probably some type of hate crime). Also, he is fired by the police chief that says something.

 

[youdontwannaknow]

Originally Posted By: antiqueshell

We have too many third world immigrants who have no ties to western civilization here today and
they generally have NO interest in adapting to the
culture and society in the USA. I politely ask them
to go home.


now that was very civilized..er..ahem.."western" civilized I suppose ? Please tell me you are not a cop in real life!!

Originally Posted By: antiqueshell

In this situation the officer was engaging Patel and it was pretty clear even to a non-english speaker that he was being asked to
do something. He ignored the officers order. Ignorance and
a lack of English language proficiency is not an excuse.


you do realize that the fact is that the cop has not only been fired already but he has been ARRESTED! The police chief specifically apologized in a public news conference. Does that tell you something ? Sometimes its best to just shut up and accept you are wrong.

 

[The_Eric]

The officer did a poor job of assessing the situation and because of that, a man is partially paralyzed.

The man obviously didn't speak any English- did the officer attempt any non-verbal communication? Sure doesn't look like it. I'm willing to bet that had the responding officer simply put his hand out and shook his head "No", the fellow would have stopped trying to walk away. Some simple gesturing and a light tug or two likely would have gotten his hands out of his pocket. Yes, I know it's a dangerous world out there and Cops are dying, but BOTH lives are EQUALLY important here. A non-compliant non-English speaking foreigner, if not outwardly aggressive, should not be on the same threat level as a U.S. native. Some common sense and a little extra personal preparedness on the officer's part and this would have had a happy ending.

Had this been an English speaking individual, maybe his escalation of force would have been justified.

 

[youdontwannaknow]

And by the way there is no question about "ignorance of law" (if at all anything its only showing your ignorance!) because it is not "illegal" to put your hands in your pocket when talking to a police officer or move during a pat down, or for that matter hands on the steering wheel at 10 and 2, those are just recommended actions for a smooth and troublfree interaction for either party.
And there is no question about "disobeying the officer" because the officer themselves confess on video that he doesn't know english. So how would you obey if you dont understand that language ? Surely the united states is not openly telling the world to learn english or be killed, is it ?

 

[aquariuscsm]

Sounds like that po-po has "cop syndrome". I hope Mr Patel's family destroys that [censored].

 

[hotwheels]

Originally Posted By: Astro14
Originally Posted By: dishdude
Why is it everyday I read a different story about the police overreacting?
You will rarely see the good things that cops do. You'll never see the millions of daily interactions between police and the public in which the police are polite, professional, and doing their best for the public. That doesn't sell anything.


Well, polite and professional behavior is expected, and is still the norm at large in all professions. That's why that behavior doesn't make the news. The news report the outlier.

You can bet that in a truly rude and unprofessional world the news would be more focused on the positive. Imagine: "Here is Brian Williams with news from Manhattan Island, where earlier today a policeman helped an old lady cross the street instead of beating her up for impeding traffic.

hotwheels

 

[simple_gifts]

Originally Posted By: MalfunctionProne
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: MolaKule


People who come here need to assimilate.


+1

We all live in teepees and wigwams, correct? j/k.

 

[linkbelt]

It is possible that guy had a hearing problem?
Looks like, if you don't respond to a cops orders without delay, it's sorry bud, down you go.

 

[hotwheels]

Imagine what might happen to Steve Martin if the German policeman were overzealous.

hotwheels

 

[youdontwannaknow]

Originally Posted By: hotwheels
Well, polite and professional behavior is expected, and is still the norm at large in all professions. That's why that behavior doesn't make the news. The news report the outlier.

You can bet that in a truly rude and unprofessional world the news would be more focused on the positive. Imagine: "Here is Brian Williams with news from Manhattan Island, where earlier today a policeman helped an old lady cross the street instead of beating her up for impeding traffic.

hotwheels


Or "Today Firefighters helped set out a blaze instead of spraying gasoline from their hoses". Or "Doctors and nurses in ER saved a life instead of serial killer doctor injected poison in patient at ER with bone injury". Or "Librarian tears up whole library".

Before it was "Hands Up Dont Shoot", I guess soon it will be "No English Dont Shoot"(or kick or punch or behave like an immature middle school bully with an iq of a kindergartner).