Police beat up an Indian man

[pbm]

Originally Posted By: Cutehumor
yeah it's obvious the guy doesn't speak English. he got a beating. remember the old man who got beat up for driving a dealer tag video. slowly becoming a Police state here.



Getting thrown to the ground is different than "got a beating"...

 

[BISCUT]

Originally Posted By: Win
Originally Posted By: pbm
This is a quote from the comments below the story:

"He wouldn't take his hands out of his pockets and he pulled away. The cops did everything right.
I guess if he had a gun in his pocket the cops should have waited to be shot.
Put yourselves in the cops shoes."

I don't know the whole story but there are 2 sides to it....maybe LEO need to speak every language in the world to avoid these type mishaps??


Silly me.

I thought the police worked for the public. I suppose, like everything else involving government at all levels, that's become an outdated notion.

Maybe, for a change, the police should imagine themselves in the shoes of Joe Public.


IMHO 2 way street. There was a recent video of a Deputy out west shot and killed by a man with his hands in his pocket, who, in an instant, drew and blindly fired into the Deputy's chest. Another dash cam video became public at the murder trail of a man who, pulled a handgun out of his pocket, after being told to remove his hands, and killed a South Carolina cop. There is a reason cops will not let you keep your hands in your pocket. Hands kill.

When I get stopped, especially at night, very simple. Interior light goes on, hand go to steering wheel. My words are: "Good evening Troop, I have a weapon in the door panel." I did my part, and the rest is now on the Trooper to do his.

 

[MalfunctionProne]

Originally Posted By: BISCUT
Originally Posted By: Win
Originally Posted By: pbm
This is a quote from the comments below the story:

"He wouldn't take his hands out of his pockets and he pulled away. The cops did everything right.
I guess if he had a gun in his pocket the cops should have waited to be shot.
Put yourselves in the cops shoes."

I don't know the whole story but there are 2 sides to it....maybe LEO need to speak every language in the world to avoid these type mishaps??


Silly me.

I thought the police worked for the public. I suppose, like everything else involving government at all levels, that's become an outdated notion.

Maybe, for a change, the police should imagine themselves in the shoes of Joe Public.


IMHO 2 way street. There was a recent video of a Deputy out west shot and killed by a man with his hands in his pocket, who, in an instant, drew and blindly fired into the Deputy's chest. Another dash cam video became public at the murder trail of a man who, pulled a handgun out of his pocket, after being told to remove his hands, and killed a South Carolina cop. There is a reason cops will not let you keep your hands in your pocket. Hands kill.

When I get stopped, especially at night, very simple. Interior light goes on, hand go to steering wheel. My words are: "Good evening Troop, I have a weapon in the door panel." I did my part, and the rest is now on the Trooper to do his.


New York State, Duty To Inform Law. Very good sir.

When I am stopped at night, I do the following:

1. Pull over very far.
2. Shut off car, right away.
3. Put both hands at the 10 and 2 position on the wheel.
4. Roll down window..
5. Wait.

Then:

Me: "Good Evening, officer."
"License, Registration, and Insurance please."
Me: "Yes, sir. I have those things. I have my license in my wallet, in my right pants pocket. May I retrieve it/may I get it?"
Him: "Go ahead" (steps back from car, places hand over service weapon)
Me: (slowly reaches, produces)
He: "And the Insurance?"
Me: "Yes, sir. I have that in my glove compartment. May I reach over and get it?"
He: "Go ahead" (Flashlight shines on glove compartment)
Me: (Slowly produces.)

We go from there.

 

[Touring5]

It seems like nearly every case of "brutality" lately the "victims" all had one thing in common - they were not complying with the officers commands. While there are certainly over-zealous cops out there, resisting is a stupid thing to do.

 

[Nyati]

This is a local story. All over the news here. The police fired the officer, and then arrested him for assault. The police chief showed the video of the incident. The man from India was very passive, and it just showed him walking down the street. The officer just threw him to the ground because he didn't respond. Seems he was visiting his son and didn't speak English. He wasn't resisting at all.

 

[Pop_Rivit]

Originally Posted By: MalfunctionProne
Alabama police officer charged with assaulting Indian man

It sure seems like he was looking for his son's house, but spoke little English; seems he was unfamiliar with this country.

He got beat up.

Let's hear how we will... "spin" this. This seems to be happening every week now.


Yet when folks like you who play armchair quarterback are actually faced with what law enforcement officers deal with, the perspective usually changes.

A Walk In Their Shoes

Originally Posted By: From Article
He had to decide whether to shoot, hold fire, or use a Taser. The experience shook his ideas of what he might do if he were a cop.

"To be honest with you, his hands were straight in the air," said Quanell after one scenario. "How close were you to shooting him in your mind?" asked Missouri City Police Captain Paul Poulton. "To shooting him in the leg?" Quanell answered. "I was very close, because he kept coming."


Originally Posted By: From Article
"At what point did you actually see the knife?" KHOU 11 News Reporter Alice Barr asked. Quanell answered, "To be honest with you, I never saw the knife. I never saw the knife, but I saw him come out of his pocket with something like this. If he would have pulled a lollypop out of his pocket, the same way he just did, I still would have used force to stop him and then somebody could have said well all he had was a lollipop, but you don't know when it's happening so fast like that."

 

[Nyati]

Originally Posted By: pbm
Originally Posted By: Cutehumor
yeah it's obvious the guy doesn't speak English. he got a beating. remember the old man who got beat up for driving a dealer tag video. slowly becoming a Police state here.



Getting thrown to the ground is different than "got a beating"...


He was partially paralyzed.

 

[dlundblad]

Originally Posted By: Astro14
Originally Posted By: dlundblad
English speaker or not, I would like to think anyone could identify a LEO and know how to act responsibly.

Maybe they do things different where he is from, but ignorance of the law is no excuse.


Careful, this sounds like we're ascribing some blame to the victim. If an officer of the law were giving me commands in a language that I didn't understand, it would be difficult to comply. Did he say, "show me your hands?" In which case, I move, or did he say' "don't move"?

This guy was walking along the sidewalk with his cellphone, eyeballing the neighborhood, as I would probably do were I in his situation....I'm an observant person, I survey my surroundings....

That's suspicious enough to call the cops?


I should have quoted PBMs earlier post. That is what mine was directed towards really. Keeping your hands in your pockets and pulling away is asking for it IMO. Not asking to get beat down.. just asking for trouble. Who knows what he could have really had in this pocket. Lets be honest.

No, simply walking in a neighborhood like the fellow did isnt enough to justify calling the cops IMO. Not to sound like a bigot, but you'd think the neighbor (or whoever called the cops) would have known an Indian family lived there or near the incident. His presence isnt random if that makes any sense. Heck.. could have been a large housing addition? I am the kind of person who likes to know their neighbors too so perhaps this wasnt the case.

Either way, I wouldnt want to be the cop in this situation and of course there are 2 sides to every story.

 

[MalfunctionProne]

Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
Originally Posted By: MalfunctionProne
Alabama police officer charged with assaulting Indian man

It sure seems like he was looking for his son's house, but spoke little English; seems he was unfamiliar with this country.

He got beat up.

Let's hear how we will... "spin" this. This seems to be happening every week now.


Yet when folks like you who play armchair quarterback are actually faced with what law enforcement officers deal with, the perspective usually changes.

A Walk In Their Shoes

Originally Posted By: From Article
He had to decide whether to shoot, hold fire, or use a Taser. The experience shook his ideas of what he might do if he were a cop.

"To be honest with you, his hands were straight in the air," said Quanell after one scenario. "How close were you to shooting him in your mind?" asked Missouri City Police Captain Paul Poulton. "To shooting him in the leg?" Quanell answered. "I was very close, because he kept coming."


Originally Posted By: From Article
"At what point did you actually see the knife?" KHOU 11 News Reporter Alice Barr asked. Quanell answered, "To be honest with you, I never saw the knife. I never saw the knife, but I saw him come out of his pocket with something like this. If he would have pulled a lollypop out of his pocket, the same way he just did, I still would have used force to stop him and then somebody could have said well all he had was a lollipop, but you don't know when it's happening so fast like that."


Oh, you are a cop now, too?

You cannot even identify dashboard lights, nor license plates in reality. You simply say things that aren't true, in the most serious way possible.

 

[Quattro Pete]

Originally Posted By: mcrn
If I went to a foreign country and a man in a uniform was pointing a gun and yelling at me the last thing I would do would be to put my hands in my pocket! This is ridiculous.

Maybe he watched too many shows about bad guys impersonating cops and thought these guys wanted to rob him.

 

[youdontwannaknow]

Ouch that video is brutal! The cop flipped that frail thin guy like he just wanted to have some fun! The guy wasn't moving or anything and this was well past initial engagement i.e. they knew there was a language barrier, they knew he lived around here, they practically knew he was not a "threat". I mean if you cant figure this out then you should really not be a cop!

Most Asian Indians are well educated, well placed, law abiding citizens and they always have their parents visiting for some time every now and then. If the cop and his department are oblivious and ignorant of this then they do not deserve to serve a "community" where people of various cultures live. If this is too much to expect then such people should not sign up for such a job.

 

[youdontwannaknow]

Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: mcrn
If I went to a foreign country and a man in a uniform was pointing a gun and yelling at me the last thing I would do would be to put my hands in my pocket! This is ridiculous.

Maybe he watched too many shows about bad guys impersonating cops and thought these guys wanted to rob him.


Again, this is a socio-cultural difference thing. Getting stopped by police in India does not get you killed if you put your hands in your pocket, or move. Nor you can get patted down.
Maybe he was trying to reach for a phone or a paper on which an address or phone# was written ? Maybe he got uncomfortable with the pat down (touching groin etc.) ?

Perhaps customs & immigration should hand out flash cards at the airport to everyone entering the country so they are made fully aware of the way police works around here ?

 

[MolaKule]

Originally Posted By: youdontwannaknow

If I went to a foreign country and a man in a uniform was pointing a gun and yelling at me the last thing I would do would be to put my hands in my pocket! This is ridiculous.

Again, this is a socio-cultural difference thing. Getting stopped by police in India does not get you killed if you put your hands in your pocket, or move. Nor you can get patted down.

Maybe he was trying to reach for a phone or a paper on which an address or phone# was written ? Maybe he got uncomfortable with the pat down (touching groin etc.) ?



The police in India don't have the anti-social crazies, dope fiends, and a disrespectful populace.

When I go to France I don't get a card that says: "You can do this and can't do that."

I research the customs and speak to people in that country on their customs and societal behavior.

I worked with a lot of very nice Asian Indian people, but they knew the customs of our country.

People who come here need to assimilate.

 

[dlundblad]

I wouldnt go so far as to say India does not have a disrespectful populace.

For one, they dont even obey traffic signs. You literally have to pull out in front of people if you want to go anywhere. Plus they are all like cattle. If a woman is trying to get to a seat on a train, 3 men will be shoving her out of the way to get that seat. One might even sit on her.

 

[Quattro Pete]

Originally Posted By: dlundblad
If a woman is trying to get to a seat on a train, 3 men will be shoving her out of the way to get that seat. One might even sit on her.

While the other two will be groping her.

 

[demarpaint]

Here we go again.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: MolaKule


People who come here need to assimilate.


+1

 

[Quattro Pete]

Originally Posted By: MolaKule
People who come here need to assimilate.

Which takes time.

 

[cb_13]

Originally Posted By: MalfunctionProne
Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
Originally Posted By: MalfunctionProne
Alabama police officer charged with assaulting Indian man

It sure seems like he was looking for his son's house, but spoke little English; seems he was unfamiliar with this country.

He got beat up.

Let's hear how we will... "spin" this. This seems to be happening every week now.


Yet when folks like you who play armchair quarterback are actually faced with what law enforcement officers deal with, the perspective usually changes.

A Walk In Their Shoes

Originally Posted By: From Article
He had to decide whether to shoot, hold fire, or use a Taser. The experience shook his ideas of what he might do if he were a cop.

"To be honest with you, his hands were straight in the air," said Quanell after one scenario. "How close were you to shooting him in your mind?" asked Missouri City Police Captain Paul Poulton. "To shooting him in the leg?" Quanell answered. "I was very close, because he kept coming."


Originally Posted By: From Article
"At what point did you actually see the knife?" KHOU 11 News Reporter Alice Barr asked. Quanell answered, "To be honest with you, I never saw the knife. I never saw the knife, but I saw him come out of his pocket with something like this. If he would have pulled a lollypop out of his pocket, the same way he just did, I still would have used force to stop him and then somebody could have said well all he had was a lollipop, but you don't know when it's happening so fast like that."


Oh, you are a cop now, too?

You cannot even identify dashboard lights, nor license plates in reality. You simply say things that aren't true, in the most serious way possible.

Personal attacks on other forum members will really help you get your point across. Seems to be really popular around here as of late.

 

[dernp]

Originally Posted By: dernp
Originally Posted By: bubbatime
I watched the video. I have lots of police experience. In fact I was kinda the "go to guy" in physical encounters (hey bubbatime, we need you at Mr. Smith's house. He is acting froggy again)

I know when to go hands on and also know when it's not required. A lot of cops are timed and don't go hands on quick enough, and things spiral out of control when they fail to take action. That being said, what I saw in the video was completely uncalled for. Assess the situation (non English speaking, possibly confused) and go from there. Cop is an idiot and should be fired.


I do my friend.

I take it you also have lots of police administration experience as well to substantiate your comments of the officer being an idiot and should be fired.