Playing "Chicken" with Mother Nature
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Originally Posted By: javacontour
PS, I cite myself as an example. I've lost 43 pounds just by doing that. Avoiding all the processed foods in the middle of store. Choosing to snack on apples and raw almonds instead of a bag of chips. Having an omelet with mushrooms, peppers, onions and egg whites with bacon instead of a bowl of cereal.
I might have a banana before my morning workout.
My BP med dosage has been cut in half and I'm starting to get the dizzy feeling when I get up telling me that I probably need to have the Dr look at the dosage again on my next visit.
I have the occasional beer and enjoy a basket of buffalo wings (naked, no breading) from time to time. But I can't remember the last time I've had lunch or dinner at a fast food joint. Probably when I was out with the youth group at a Taco Bell.
So it does work. I still enjoy steaks, chicken, pork chops, etc. I just don't have the baked potato with sour cream. I'll have veggies instead.
That's almost like my diet but for me, baked potato is in, steak and other meats are usually out [I eat meat maybe once a week]. No processed foods at all. Dinner is usually a veggie and fruit shake. Weekend mornings is Belgian Waffle time (my wife grinds the flour herself, it's unbelievable how different it tastes from the store bought flour).
PS, I cite myself as an example. I've lost 43 pounds just by doing that. Avoiding all the processed foods in the middle of store. Choosing to snack on apples and raw almonds instead of a bag of chips. Having an omelet with mushrooms, peppers, onions and egg whites with bacon instead of a bowl of cereal.
I might have a banana before my morning workout.
My BP med dosage has been cut in half and I'm starting to get the dizzy feeling when I get up telling me that I probably need to have the Dr look at the dosage again on my next visit.
I have the occasional beer and enjoy a basket of buffalo wings (naked, no breading) from time to time. But I can't remember the last time I've had lunch or dinner at a fast food joint. Probably when I was out with the youth group at a Taco Bell.
So it does work. I still enjoy steaks, chicken, pork chops, etc. I just don't have the baked potato with sour cream. I'll have veggies instead.
That's almost like my diet but for me, baked potato is in, steak and other meats are usually out [I eat meat maybe once a week]. No processed foods at all. Dinner is usually a veggie and fruit shake. Weekend mornings is Belgian Waffle time (my wife grinds the flour herself, it's unbelievable how different it tastes from the store bought flour).
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
Originally Posted By: javacontour
I'm pretty confident it's not due to beef, pork or chicken that the average American is ballooning up. It's probably the stuff in the middle of the store.
If you eat around the outside of the store, fruits, veggies, meat, poultry, fish, eggs, dairy and MODERATE amounts of whole grain products it would be hard to balloon up.
It's the stuff in the middle of the store. Chips, soda, processed meals, breakfast cereal, pop tarts, snack cakes and so on that is what is making folks fat.
Well that and drive through dining.
Give up the middle of the store, eat along the edges, and give up the drive through and without doing anything else, you'll probably lose weight.
Add in 30 minutes of aerobic exercise every day and the weight will probably fall off.
But I don't think it's corn fed beef that is making our kids (and adults) fat.
Diet, activity levels, medication etc are all factors. But we've had diets of fatty foods, processed foods and sugars, and a lot of sedentary people for many years. But I've noticed the population has pretty suddenly and drastically balloned up recently and I don't think processed food intake and being sedentary is fully explaining it. It seems like this phenomena has happened suddenly over about the last 20 years. It seem up till the 80's or 90's people ate whatever they wanted and there were much more thin people. I think there's been changes or additives in the food supply that is playing a factor.
I believe in some other countries that don't allow all of the additives in the food supply that the US allows have thin populations. I really suspect substances in the food supply are affecting people's metabolism and growth rate. People are now balloning up like the cattle in feed lots eating similar to how they always had before.
Even Russia does not want to import food from us due to the additives. They will buy more expensive Australian beef than what we can sell them. The same goes for the rest of Europe.
Originally Posted By: javacontour
I'm pretty confident it's not due to beef, pork or chicken that the average American is ballooning up. It's probably the stuff in the middle of the store.
If you eat around the outside of the store, fruits, veggies, meat, poultry, fish, eggs, dairy and MODERATE amounts of whole grain products it would be hard to balloon up.
It's the stuff in the middle of the store. Chips, soda, processed meals, breakfast cereal, pop tarts, snack cakes and so on that is what is making folks fat.
Well that and drive through dining.
Give up the middle of the store, eat along the edges, and give up the drive through and without doing anything else, you'll probably lose weight.
Add in 30 minutes of aerobic exercise every day and the weight will probably fall off.
But I don't think it's corn fed beef that is making our kids (and adults) fat.
Diet, activity levels, medication etc are all factors. But we've had diets of fatty foods, processed foods and sugars, and a lot of sedentary people for many years. But I've noticed the population has pretty suddenly and drastically balloned up recently and I don't think processed food intake and being sedentary is fully explaining it. It seems like this phenomena has happened suddenly over about the last 20 years. It seem up till the 80's or 90's people ate whatever they wanted and there were much more thin people. I think there's been changes or additives in the food supply that is playing a factor.
I believe in some other countries that don't allow all of the additives in the food supply that the US allows have thin populations. I really suspect substances in the food supply are affecting people's metabolism and growth rate. People are now balloning up like the cattle in feed lots eating similar to how they always had before.
Even Russia does not want to import food from us due to the additives. They will buy more expensive Australian beef than what we can sell them. The same goes for the rest of Europe.
I think video games, cubicle jobs instead of manufacturing, drive through instead of even getting out of the car, etc are contributing factors.
We are more than just sedentary. Folks orbit the parking lot at Wal*Mart because they want to park up close rather than walk. Many ride electric carts inside.
I'm not in grade school any more, but I'm pretty sure they don't have as much recess and PE as we had. My high school aged kids didn't "dress" for PE, needing to take PE clothes and have a shower locker. So I'm pretty sure they are not working as hard as we did even in the late 70's early 80's.
I look around in my bootcamp class. It's not full of 20 somethings. There is the occassional 30 something, but most are like me, in our 40s-50s. Ditto for my spin class.
I think it's the perfect storm of more processed foods, jobs that don't require as much labor, AND a general lack of exercise.
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
Originally Posted By: javacontour
I'm pretty confident it's not due to beef, pork or chicken that the average American is ballooning up. It's probably the stuff in the middle of the store.
If you eat around the outside of the store, fruits, veggies, meat, poultry, fish, eggs, dairy and MODERATE amounts of whole grain products it would be hard to balloon up.
It's the stuff in the middle of the store. Chips, soda, processed meals, breakfast cereal, pop tarts, snack cakes and so on that is what is making folks fat.
Well that and drive through dining.
Give up the middle of the store, eat along the edges, and give up the drive through and without doing anything else, you'll probably lose weight.
Add in 30 minutes of aerobic exercise every day and the weight will probably fall off.
But I don't think it's corn fed beef that is making our kids (and adults) fat.
Diet, activity levels, medication etc are all factors. But we've had diets of fatty foods, processed foods and sugars, and a lot of sedentary people for many years. But I've noticed the population has pretty suddenly and drastically balloned up recently and I don't think processed food intake and being sedentary is fully explaining it. It seems like this phenomena has happened suddenly over about the last 20 years. It seem up till the 80's or 90's people ate whatever they wanted and there were much more thin people. I think there's been changes or additives in the food supply that is playing a factor.
I believe in some other countries that don't allow all of the additives in the food supply that the US allows have thin populations. I really suspect substances in the food supply are affecting people's metabolism and growth rate. People are now balloning up like the cattle in feed lots eating similar to how they always had before.
We are more than just sedentary. Folks orbit the parking lot at Wal*Mart because they want to park up close rather than walk. Many ride electric carts inside.
I'm not in grade school any more, but I'm pretty sure they don't have as much recess and PE as we had. My high school aged kids didn't "dress" for PE, needing to take PE clothes and have a shower locker. So I'm pretty sure they are not working as hard as we did even in the late 70's early 80's.
I look around in my bootcamp class. It's not full of 20 somethings. There is the occassional 30 something, but most are like me, in our 40s-50s. Ditto for my spin class.
I think it's the perfect storm of more processed foods, jobs that don't require as much labor, AND a general lack of exercise.
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
Originally Posted By: javacontour
I'm pretty confident it's not due to beef, pork or chicken that the average American is ballooning up. It's probably the stuff in the middle of the store.
If you eat around the outside of the store, fruits, veggies, meat, poultry, fish, eggs, dairy and MODERATE amounts of whole grain products it would be hard to balloon up.
It's the stuff in the middle of the store. Chips, soda, processed meals, breakfast cereal, pop tarts, snack cakes and so on that is what is making folks fat.
Well that and drive through dining.
Give up the middle of the store, eat along the edges, and give up the drive through and without doing anything else, you'll probably lose weight.
Add in 30 minutes of aerobic exercise every day and the weight will probably fall off.
But I don't think it's corn fed beef that is making our kids (and adults) fat.
Diet, activity levels, medication etc are all factors. But we've had diets of fatty foods, processed foods and sugars, and a lot of sedentary people for many years. But I've noticed the population has pretty suddenly and drastically balloned up recently and I don't think processed food intake and being sedentary is fully explaining it. It seems like this phenomena has happened suddenly over about the last 20 years. It seem up till the 80's or 90's people ate whatever they wanted and there were much more thin people. I think there's been changes or additives in the food supply that is playing a factor.
I believe in some other countries that don't allow all of the additives in the food supply that the US allows have thin populations. I really suspect substances in the food supply are affecting people's metabolism and growth rate. People are now balloning up like the cattle in feed lots eating similar to how they always had before.
Originally Posted By: javacontour
I think video games, cubicle jobs instead of manufacturing, drive through instead of even getting out of the car, etc are contributing factors.
We are more than just sedentary. Folks orbit the parking lot at Wal*Mart because they want to park up close rather than walk. Many ride electric carts inside.
I'm not in grade school any more, but I'm pretty sure they don't have as much recess and PE as we had. My high school aged kids didn't "dress" for PE, needing to take PE clothes and have a shower locker. So I'm pretty sure they are not working as hard as we did even in the late 70's early 80's.
I look around in my bootcamp class. It's not full of 20 somethings. There is the occassional 30 something, but most are like me, in our 40s-50s. Ditto for my spin class.
I think it's the perfect storm of more processed foods, jobs that don't require as much labor, AND a general lack of exercise.
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
Originally Posted By: javacontour
I'm pretty confident it's not due to beef, pork or chicken that the average American is ballooning up. It's probably the stuff in the middle of the store.
If you eat around the outside of the store, fruits, veggies, meat, poultry, fish, eggs, dairy and MODERATE amounts of whole grain products it would be hard to balloon up.
It's the stuff in the middle of the store. Chips, soda, processed meals, breakfast cereal, pop tarts, snack cakes and so on that is what is making folks fat.
Well that and drive through dining.
Give up the middle of the store, eat along the edges, and give up the drive through and without doing anything else, you'll probably lose weight.
Add in 30 minutes of aerobic exercise every day and the weight will probably fall off.
But I don't think it's corn fed beef that is making our kids (and adults) fat.
Diet, activity levels, medication etc are all factors. But we've had diets of fatty foods, processed foods and sugars, and a lot of sedentary people for many years. But I've noticed the population has pretty suddenly and drastically balloned up recently and I don't think processed food intake and being sedentary is fully explaining it. It seems like this phenomena has happened suddenly over about the last 20 years. It seem up till the 80's or 90's people ate whatever they wanted and there were much more thin people. I think there's been changes or additives in the food supply that is playing a factor.
I believe in some other countries that don't allow all of the additives in the food supply that the US allows have thin populations. I really suspect substances in the food supply are affecting people's metabolism and growth rate. People are now balloning up like the cattle in feed lots eating similar to how they always had before.
I agree all those are factors but I just don't believe peoples' diet and lifestyle has changed that much to explain the bulking and balloning up we see recently. It's not just that people are fat or chubby. They are bulky as if from growth hormones and metabolism and metabolic changes. I'd wager if a person who eats meat and dairy switched to organic milk, cheese, eggs and meat free of hormones and other additives, would probably become less balky even if they were a little overwieght or fat.
I think video games, cubicle jobs instead of manufacturing, drive through instead of even getting out of the car, etc are contributing factors.
We are more than just sedentary. Folks orbit the parking lot at Wal*Mart because they want to park up close rather than walk. Many ride electric carts inside.
I'm not in grade school any more, but I'm pretty sure they don't have as much recess and PE as we had. My high school aged kids didn't "dress" for PE, needing to take PE clothes and have a shower locker. So I'm pretty sure they are not working as hard as we did even in the late 70's early 80's.
I look around in my bootcamp class. It's not full of 20 somethings. There is the occassional 30 something, but most are like me, in our 40s-50s. Ditto for my spin class.
I think it's the perfect storm of more processed foods, jobs that don't require as much labor, AND a general lack of exercise.
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
Originally Posted By: javacontour
I'm pretty confident it's not due to beef, pork or chicken that the average American is ballooning up. It's probably the stuff in the middle of the store.
If you eat around the outside of the store, fruits, veggies, meat, poultry, fish, eggs, dairy and MODERATE amounts of whole grain products it would be hard to balloon up.
It's the stuff in the middle of the store. Chips, soda, processed meals, breakfast cereal, pop tarts, snack cakes and so on that is what is making folks fat.
Well that and drive through dining.
Give up the middle of the store, eat along the edges, and give up the drive through and without doing anything else, you'll probably lose weight.
Add in 30 minutes of aerobic exercise every day and the weight will probably fall off.
But I don't think it's corn fed beef that is making our kids (and adults) fat.
Diet, activity levels, medication etc are all factors. But we've had diets of fatty foods, processed foods and sugars, and a lot of sedentary people for many years. But I've noticed the population has pretty suddenly and drastically balloned up recently and I don't think processed food intake and being sedentary is fully explaining it. It seems like this phenomena has happened suddenly over about the last 20 years. It seem up till the 80's or 90's people ate whatever they wanted and there were much more thin people. I think there's been changes or additives in the food supply that is playing a factor.
I believe in some other countries that don't allow all of the additives in the food supply that the US allows have thin populations. I really suspect substances in the food supply are affecting people's metabolism and growth rate. People are now balloning up like the cattle in feed lots eating similar to how they always had before.
I agree all those are factors but I just don't believe peoples' diet and lifestyle has changed that much to explain the bulking and balloning up we see recently. It's not just that people are fat or chubby. They are bulky as if from growth hormones and metabolism and metabolic changes. I'd wager if a person who eats meat and dairy switched to organic milk, cheese, eggs and meat free of hormones and other additives, would probably become less balky even if they were a little overwieght or fat.
Originally Posted By: andyd
I will basically eat anything that doesnt eat me first. My folks were organic gardeners. We ate simply, but well. A free range egg is a whole different thing than a store bought one.
It sure is! Last year, a well-known cooking magazine did a taste of 'free-range' chickens & turkeys & compared them to regular store bought. Guess what? The taste-testers (mid 20's to 30's) didn't like it at all. And why? Because they grew up on store bought. The 'natural' stuff tasted weird...too weird.
I remember the pork I ate as a kid was much fatter than what I buy today. It also had a LOT more flavor. It's no wonder turkey tastes pretty bland these days. They're bred for a huge breast because people prefer it over dark-meat.
Wild-game has such a rare connotation amoung a certain set these days but in reality it's what prior generations ate....and hunted. Rabbits, pheasant, ducks, geese, grouse, ptarmigan, quail, dove, bull frogs, chuckers, 'wild turkey', boar, buffalo, even squirrels. You were skinney if you were a poor shot. . so was your family. A goose was served at Thanksgiving & Christmas...because turkey was much more expensive and rare.
I love animals...they're delicious!
I will basically eat anything that doesnt eat me first. My folks were organic gardeners. We ate simply, but well. A free range egg is a whole different thing than a store bought one.
It sure is! Last year, a well-known cooking magazine did a taste of 'free-range' chickens & turkeys & compared them to regular store bought. Guess what? The taste-testers (mid 20's to 30's) didn't like it at all. And why? Because they grew up on store bought. The 'natural' stuff tasted weird...too weird.
I remember the pork I ate as a kid was much fatter than what I buy today. It also had a LOT more flavor. It's no wonder turkey tastes pretty bland these days. They're bred for a huge breast because people prefer it over dark-meat.
Wild-game has such a rare connotation amoung a certain set these days but in reality it's what prior generations ate....and hunted. Rabbits, pheasant, ducks, geese, grouse, ptarmigan, quail, dove, bull frogs, chuckers, 'wild turkey', boar, buffalo, even squirrels. You were skinney if you were a poor shot. . so was your family. A goose was served at Thanksgiving & Christmas...because turkey was much more expensive and rare.
I love animals...they're delicious!
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