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Originally Posted By: PandaBear
IMO these breed should be licensed and regulated. I'm not saying all of them should be put to sleep to prevent future attack, but if anyone see them on the street not leashed and have the jaw covered / tied the owners should be arrested.
If you're going to license and regulate anything, it should be the owners. There are so many people who shouldn't have the right to own anything, let alone a dog. Good owners equal good pets.
IMO these breed should be licensed and regulated. I'm not saying all of them should be put to sleep to prevent future attack, but if anyone see them on the street not leashed and have the jaw covered / tied the owners should be arrested.
If you're going to license and regulate anything, it should be the owners. There are so many people who shouldn't have the right to own anything, let alone a dog. Good owners equal good pets.
Originally Posted By: CourierDriver
http://www.godvine.com/Dying-Dog-Gives-Up-On-Life-But-Just-Watch-What-Happens-Next-1875.html yep, this is a pit bull, I would have fed him too even if I am a birddog person.
Cool video! Thanks for posting.
http://www.godvine.com/Dying-Dog-Gives-Up-On-Life-But-Just-Watch-What-Happens-Next-1875.html yep, this is a pit bull, I would have fed him too even if I am a birddog person.
Cool video! Thanks for posting.
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
IMO these breed should be licensed and regulated.
One of the biggest problems with legislation targeting specific breeds is defining what breed a dog. These definitions will either be too specific as to be meaningless in the real world, or they will be so broad that just about any dog will fall in the definition and then unelected judges will be doing the defining.
This is why I'm not on board with specific legal mandates on particular breeds.
IMO these breed should be licensed and regulated.
One of the biggest problems with legislation targeting specific breeds is defining what breed a dog. These definitions will either be too specific as to be meaningless in the real world, or they will be so broad that just about any dog will fall in the definition and then unelected judges will be doing the defining.
This is why I'm not on board with specific legal mandates on particular breeds.
Originally Posted By: JOD
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Repeating something 17 times doesn't make it any more true. Pit Bulls are not "hard wired to attack". They have a strong prey drive. So do a log of other dogs.
But I am repeating the facts, stats prove me right. I'll repeat them hundreds of times. If necessary. I constantly see pit bull owners in front of Judge Judy and Joe Brown and these put owners flat out REFUSE to accept reality.
But the evidence supports that the strong prey drive combined with some of the worst owners equals HUGE numbers of injuries and even death.
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To the contrary, they've been bred originally (and still) to be handled by humans under pretty much the worst of conditions (bull baiting or dog fighting)--which is why they're so reliable around humans.
Again stats prove you wrong. These dogs are a serious danger to humans and other animals.
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Prey drive has no relation to human aggression.
Yes, that dog has the ability to distinguish between a toddler and other prey? LOL
Your opinions show a typical example of why pit bulls need eliminated from being owned as pets.
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Repeating something 17 times doesn't make it any more true. Pit Bulls are not "hard wired to attack". They have a strong prey drive. So do a log of other dogs.
But I am repeating the facts, stats prove me right. I'll repeat them hundreds of times. If necessary. I constantly see pit bull owners in front of Judge Judy and Joe Brown and these put owners flat out REFUSE to accept reality.
But the evidence supports that the strong prey drive combined with some of the worst owners equals HUGE numbers of injuries and even death.
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To the contrary, they've been bred originally (and still) to be handled by humans under pretty much the worst of conditions (bull baiting or dog fighting)--which is why they're so reliable around humans.
Again stats prove you wrong. These dogs are a serious danger to humans and other animals.
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Prey drive has no relation to human aggression.
Yes, that dog has the ability to distinguish between a toddler and other prey? LOL
Your opinions show a typical example of why pit bulls need eliminated from being owned as pets.
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Originally Posted By: JOD
you should google "backfire effect". You may learn something about yourself!
No the MiB has him all jumpy and has worn him down forgive him.
you should google "backfire effect". You may learn something about yourself!
No the MiB has him all jumpy and has worn him down forgive him.
Originally Posted By: mechtech2
Modern pit bulls are different than the 'Spanky and Our Gang' Spot pit bulls.
They have been over bred and are not benign.
If we can recognize that different breeds are naturally biased, like shepherding, running, or retrieving, why not also recognize the inherent dangers of certain modern breeds?
I agree that they are over populated, there are more dogs than there are homes for them. There are always going to be defective individuals of all breeds. Anyone who would allow a defective dog to reproduce is irresonsible. That doesn't change the breed as a whole, there are plenty of responsible breeders preserving the breed. Unfortunately you can't tell by looking at them which dogs are carrying bad genes. I think the problem dogs are more of a regional problem. A high crime area like Chicago or Atlanta is going to have more examples of bad and abused dogs than a rural area where there are more family pets and farm and hunting dogs.
Modern pit bulls are different than the 'Spanky and Our Gang' Spot pit bulls.
They have been over bred and are not benign.
If we can recognize that different breeds are naturally biased, like shepherding, running, or retrieving, why not also recognize the inherent dangers of certain modern breeds?
I agree that they are over populated, there are more dogs than there are homes for them. There are always going to be defective individuals of all breeds. Anyone who would allow a defective dog to reproduce is irresonsible. That doesn't change the breed as a whole, there are plenty of responsible breeders preserving the breed. Unfortunately you can't tell by looking at them which dogs are carrying bad genes. I think the problem dogs are more of a regional problem. A high crime area like Chicago or Atlanta is going to have more examples of bad and abused dogs than a rural area where there are more family pets and farm and hunting dogs.
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
Originally Posted By: JOD
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Repeating something 17 times doesn't make it any more true. Pit Bulls are not "hard wired to attack". They have a strong prey drive. So do a log of other dogs.
But I am repeating the facts, stats prove me right. I'll repeat them hundreds of times. If necessary. I constantly see pit bull owners in front of Judge Judy and Joe Brown and these put owners flat out REFUSE to accept reality.
But the evidence supports that the strong prey drive combined with some of the worst owners equals HUGE numbers of injuries and even death.
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To the contrary, they've been bred originally (and still) to be handled by humans under pretty much the worst of conditions (bull baiting or dog fighting)--which is why they're so reliable around humans.
Again stats prove you wrong. These dogs are a serious danger to humans and other animals.
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Prey drive has no relation to human aggression.
Yes, that dog has the ability to distinguish between a toddler and other prey? LOL
Your opinions show a typical example of why pit bulls need eliminated from being owned as pets.
I am sorry, but you have been missinformed. There are no facts to prove anything you have said. And no a toddler does not resemble any kind of prey.
Originally Posted By: JOD
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Repeating something 17 times doesn't make it any more true. Pit Bulls are not "hard wired to attack". They have a strong prey drive. So do a log of other dogs.
But I am repeating the facts, stats prove me right. I'll repeat them hundreds of times. If necessary. I constantly see pit bull owners in front of Judge Judy and Joe Brown and these put owners flat out REFUSE to accept reality.
But the evidence supports that the strong prey drive combined with some of the worst owners equals HUGE numbers of injuries and even death.
Quote:
To the contrary, they've been bred originally (and still) to be handled by humans under pretty much the worst of conditions (bull baiting or dog fighting)--which is why they're so reliable around humans.
Again stats prove you wrong. These dogs are a serious danger to humans and other animals.
Quote:
Prey drive has no relation to human aggression.
Yes, that dog has the ability to distinguish between a toddler and other prey? LOL
Your opinions show a typical example of why pit bulls need eliminated from being owned as pets.
I am sorry, but you have been missinformed. There are no facts to prove anything you have said. And no a toddler does not resemble any kind of prey.
Originally Posted By: AVB
And no a toddler does not resemble any kind of prey.
Well their ancestors would beg to differ.
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Latest-Ne...n-s-death-video
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In 2001, a 9-year old boy was attacked and killed by two dingoes on Fraser Island. In 2007, a 4-year old girl was also attacked, and survived, on Fraser Island. In 1998, a 13-month old old girl was grabbed by a dingo, which began to drag her away until her father intervened.
And no a toddler does not resemble any kind of prey.
Well their ancestors would beg to differ.
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Latest-Ne...n-s-death-video
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In 2001, a 9-year old boy was attacked and killed by two dingoes on Fraser Island. In 2007, a 4-year old girl was also attacked, and survived, on Fraser Island. In 1998, a 13-month old old girl was grabbed by a dingo, which began to drag her away until her father intervened.
Alot of bad dogs in the SouthEast, I'll consent that point. Alot of pit bull looking animals are bred, owned, stolen, etc. by bad people.
That doesn't make a breed bad.
I give my proof in the human race. Many bad people, but I couldn't say that one group should be "bred out" like suggestions here.
OTOH, here in the SE, especially, many pit bulls and similar breeds are used as working dogs. They are used for pig hunting quite a bit, which is where I got my dog. My dog is similar to an American Badogge, which is basically a "mixed" pit bull (I realize the AKC doesn't acknowledge a pit bull). They are mixed with other animals like the mastiff or boxer, depending on what the desired traits are. The father of my dog was used in tandem with another dog to hunt wild pigs.
When picking a dog, I think it is really ideal to know the traits of the father and mother, siblings, etc. And, I say this tongue in cheek, but the dog should pick you. My dog has never hunted and has been an inside, family dog since the 13th week of her life. Except for the 1st day, she was never caged and had free reign of my home. For the first several years she slept in my bed. I upgraded to a wife, so the dog sleeps in her own bed now. I'm sure many of my dog's siblings may have been chained to a tree their entire lives, but not mine.
If you are a dog lover, read the book Oogy. I'm almost done with it and it's been great. It addresses a dog that was salvaged from being a bait dog for fighting dogs. It's been an amazing little story.
That doesn't make a breed bad.
I give my proof in the human race. Many bad people, but I couldn't say that one group should be "bred out" like suggestions here.
OTOH, here in the SE, especially, many pit bulls and similar breeds are used as working dogs. They are used for pig hunting quite a bit, which is where I got my dog. My dog is similar to an American Badogge, which is basically a "mixed" pit bull (I realize the AKC doesn't acknowledge a pit bull). They are mixed with other animals like the mastiff or boxer, depending on what the desired traits are. The father of my dog was used in tandem with another dog to hunt wild pigs.
When picking a dog, I think it is really ideal to know the traits of the father and mother, siblings, etc. And, I say this tongue in cheek, but the dog should pick you. My dog has never hunted and has been an inside, family dog since the 13th week of her life. Except for the 1st day, she was never caged and had free reign of my home. For the first several years she slept in my bed. I upgraded to a wife, so the dog sleeps in her own bed now. I'm sure many of my dog's siblings may have been chained to a tree their entire lives, but not mine.
If you are a dog lover, read the book Oogy. I'm almost done with it and it's been great. It addresses a dog that was salvaged from being a bait dog for fighting dogs. It's been an amazing little story.
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Well their ancestors would beg to differ.
Not really... The fact that it takes that anecdote to make your point should make it pretty clear than dogs can and do discern the difference between humans and prey.
This is 10's of thousands of years of evolution at work. Unless, of course, you believe the world is only 3,000 years old. It has nothing to do with "intelligence" and everything to do with biology. Salmon don't return to their native river because they have great memories or can work GPS, and it doesn't require intelligence for a dog to tell the difference between a rabbit and a baby.
All that said, leaving a toddler alone with ANY dog unsupervised is a bad idea, because sometimes biology isn't perfect, and sometimes things happen.
Well their ancestors would beg to differ.
Not really... The fact that it takes that anecdote to make your point should make it pretty clear than dogs can and do discern the difference between humans and prey.
This is 10's of thousands of years of evolution at work. Unless, of course, you believe the world is only 3,000 years old. It has nothing to do with "intelligence" and everything to do with biology. Salmon don't return to their native river because they have great memories or can work GPS, and it doesn't require intelligence for a dog to tell the difference between a rabbit and a baby.
All that said, leaving a toddler alone with ANY dog unsupervised is a bad idea, because sometimes biology isn't perfect, and sometimes things happen.
OK, now we're back on statistics, we can talk about the classic "risk" equation that forms the basis of all risk analysis...frequency time consequence, gives the "inherent" risk in an activity, item, or process.
When you look at the frequency times consequence of an agro purse rat, versus pit bulls...
When you look at the frequency times consequence of an agro purse rat, versus pit bulls...
Originally Posted By: Shannow
OK, now we're back on statistics, we can talk about the classic "risk" equation that forms the basis of all risk analysis...frequency time consequence, gives the "inherent" risk in an activity, item, or process.
When you look at the frequency times consequence of an agro purse rat, versus pit bulls...
If you're talking statistics, then surely you understand the need to drill down to actually understand them, and that correlation doesn't equal causation...right?
OK, now we're back on statistics, we can talk about the classic "risk" equation that forms the basis of all risk analysis...frequency time consequence, gives the "inherent" risk in an activity, item, or process.
When you look at the frequency times consequence of an agro purse rat, versus pit bulls...
If you're talking statistics, then surely you understand the need to drill down to actually understand them, and that correlation doesn't equal causation...right?
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Saw this pic today and laughed hard:
My girlfriend and I are in the process of rescuing a 1 yr old brown male Pit Bull Terrier Mix named "Count Chocula". Friendly and cute fella.
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