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How do they get GIII to pour at -66C ? That's lower than PAO territory IIRC, and even POE.
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Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
PC has dealers? LOL I had no idea!
You need to move to Saskatchewan. You can't swing a dead cat here without hitting a bulk dealer from each of the big companies, and some of the smaller ones.
I can get enough Delvac, Delo, Rotella, and Duron to fill a swimming pool each, yet heaven help me if I want a PureOne or a Stratapore.
Oh no; no, no, no. Move to Saskatchwean???? Sorry, but my blood is no thinner than a good old fashioned 15w40 (nevermind what I drive...). You'll catch me there in the winter when Hitler's corner of you-know-where also has a thick layer of ice over it...
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
PC has dealers? LOL I had no idea!
You need to move to Saskatchewan. You can't swing a dead cat here without hitting a bulk dealer from each of the big companies, and some of the smaller ones.
I can get enough Delvac, Delo, Rotella, and Duron to fill a swimming pool each, yet heaven help me if I want a PureOne or a Stratapore.
Oh no; no, no, no. Move to Saskatchwean???? Sorry, but my blood is no thinner than a good old fashioned 15w40 (nevermind what I drive...). You'll catch me there in the winter when Hitler's corner of you-know-where also has a thick layer of ice over it...
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
How do they get GIII to pour at -66C ? That's lower than PAO territory IIRC, and even POE.
Begging the question: are we really talking about a G-III oil. I have come to realize that there are really few, if any, remaining pure "base x" oils out there any more, and that virtually all of them are blends of various base oils. I fear that in the future, there will be precious few oils which can be identified as a "true" Group-whatever oil, since they are all so "hybridized."
FWIW, and I may be wrong on this since it's been so long, but as I recall from my flying days, we almost always used MIL-L-23699 oil for our jet engines, but there was an alt spec I don't remember for when the temps went below either -40 or -60C. I don't know what this stuff was, but it must have been pretty special to stay pumpable that cold, and protect a superhot jet engine while running. Obviously, SOME oil can do this.
How do they get GIII to pour at -66C ? That's lower than PAO territory IIRC, and even POE.
Begging the question: are we really talking about a G-III oil. I have come to realize that there are really few, if any, remaining pure "base x" oils out there any more, and that virtually all of them are blends of various base oils. I fear that in the future, there will be precious few oils which can be identified as a "true" Group-whatever oil, since they are all so "hybridized."
FWIW, and I may be wrong on this since it's been so long, but as I recall from my flying days, we almost always used MIL-L-23699 oil for our jet engines, but there was an alt spec I don't remember for when the temps went below either -40 or -60C. I don't know what this stuff was, but it must have been pretty special to stay pumpable that cold, and protect a superhot jet engine while running. Obviously, SOME oil can do this.
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Yes, and I have a case of it coming tomorrow! LMAO! -66C, mother of God!
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
How do they get GIII to pour at -66C ?
No where on the lubricant section of their website does it mention any base oil other than Group II and III. But I encourage you to make contact with PC tech support (as I have in the past) to confirm this.
How do they get GIII to pour at -66C ?
No where on the lubricant section of their website does it mention any base oil other than Group II and III. But I encourage you to make contact with PC tech support (as I have in the past) to confirm this.
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Originally Posted By: 21Rouge
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
How do they get GIII to pour at -66C ?
No where on the lubricant section of their website does it mention any base oil other than Group II and III. But I encourage you to make contact with PC tech support (as I have in the past) to confirm this.
That they produce. This is correct, as I checked after you linked it. But that still does not answer my question
Yes, I will ask them for sure!
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
How do they get GIII to pour at -66C ?
No where on the lubricant section of their website does it mention any base oil other than Group II and III. But I encourage you to make contact with PC tech support (as I have in the past) to confirm this.
That they produce. This is correct, as I checked after you linked it. But that still does not answer my question
Yes, I will ask them for sure!
Originally Posted By: ekpolk
Oh no; no, no, no. Move to Saskatchwean???? Sorry, but my blood is no thinner than a good old fashioned 15w40 (nevermind what I drive...). You'll catch me there in the winter when Hitler's corner of you-know-where also has a thick layer of ice over it...
Well, in the summer, your 15w40 blood will be fine. When winter rolls around, we can find you the thinnest synthetic transfusion available from one of our many bulk dealers.
Oh no; no, no, no. Move to Saskatchwean???? Sorry, but my blood is no thinner than a good old fashioned 15w40 (nevermind what I drive...). You'll catch me there in the winter when Hitler's corner of you-know-where also has a thick layer of ice over it...
Well, in the summer, your 15w40 blood will be fine. When winter rolls around, we can find you the thinnest synthetic transfusion available from one of our many bulk dealers.
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Originally Posted By: 21Rouge
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
How do they get GIII to pour at -66C ?
No where on the lubricant section of their website does it mention any base oil other than Group II and III. But I encourage you to make contact with PC tech support (as I have in the past) to confirm this.
That they produce. This is correct, as I checked after you linked it. But that still does not answer my question
You think that Petro Canada, which we know does make base stocks, but chooses instead to go outside for 'higher end' stuff to produce some of their HDEO/PCMO oils?
Originally Posted By: 21Rouge
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
How do they get GIII to pour at -66C ?
No where on the lubricant section of their website does it mention any base oil other than Group II and III. But I encourage you to make contact with PC tech support (as I have in the past) to confirm this.
That they produce. This is correct, as I checked after you linked it. But that still does not answer my question
You think that Petro Canada, which we know does make base stocks, but chooses instead to go outside for 'higher end' stuff to produce some of their HDEO/PCMO oils?
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I think it's possible. If they needed something like POE to achieve it, then they probably buy it if they don't make it.
I've sent them off an e-mail, it will be interesting to see what they say.
I've sent them off an e-mail, it will be interesting to see what they say.
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They do, and talk about buying local, LMAO!
I've got a case of their synthetic grease. I'm willing to bet a tube, that it doesn't separate like the M1 grease.
I've got a case of their synthetic grease. I'm willing to bet a tube, that it doesn't separate like the M1 grease.
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I feel a touch foolish. I'd never even considered an interest in the PC products until I realized I could get a pile of them with my PC points.
Upon looking, I'm realizing that I've been missing out on a LOT of really great products.
Products that are priced much better than what I've been paying for other brands.
Upon looking, I'm realizing that I've been missing out on a LOT of really great products.
Products that are priced much better than what I've been paying for other brands.
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Looks like they do indeed use PAO:
But not likely in their Duron-E 0W40 as there is no mention of PAO in the preamble to the stats in the PDS (unlike for their bearing and gear lubricant that you referenced). Instead it reads:
DURON-E products are specially formulated with unique high per formance additive systems in combination with Petro-Canada's patented 99.9% pure synthetic base oils. One of the purest base oils in the world.
And as mentioned earlier and as seen on PC's lubricant site these pure base oils are Groups II and III.
Looks like they do indeed use PAO:
But not likely in their Duron-E 0W40 as there is no mention of PAO in the preamble to the stats in the PDS (unlike for their bearing and gear lubricant that you referenced). Instead it reads:
DURON-E products are specially formulated with unique high per formance additive systems in combination with Petro-Canada's patented 99.9% pure synthetic base oils. One of the purest base oils in the world.
And as mentioned earlier and as seen on PC's lubricant site these pure base oils are Groups II and III.
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Which of course still has me curious as to how they've managed this incredible pour point. Hence my question to them. I await their response.
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I agree it will. But I've got a "plan" of sorts that I worked out with Doug as to how I will increase my intervals. There will be a used oil analysis on the Mobil 1 0w40 that is in there for sure to see what my TBN looks like. Since this engine is anything but hard on oil, I imagine it has held up ridiculously well.
Remember, we've currently got TWO Expeditions running Mobil 1 0w40. Mine is only on it's first OCI. I ran two OCI's with Mobil Delvac 1 5w40. Mom and dad are on their second OCI, and I want to do another sample on it. Which will be easier once they are living here full time and not in another province. Dad seems very happy with the Mobil 1 0w40, so I have no plans on switching him. But I do want to try some "Canadian oil" in my Expedition. The price is right, the product, on paper, appears to be phenomenal. We'll see how it pans out.
Don't fret Tig, I still have 20L of Delvac 1 here for my Mustang.
Remember, we've currently got TWO Expeditions running Mobil 1 0w40. Mine is only on it's first OCI. I ran two OCI's with Mobil Delvac 1 5w40. Mom and dad are on their second OCI, and I want to do another sample on it. Which will be easier once they are living here full time and not in another province. Dad seems very happy with the Mobil 1 0w40, so I have no plans on switching him. But I do want to try some "Canadian oil" in my Expedition. The price is right, the product, on paper, appears to be phenomenal. We'll see how it pans out.
Don't fret Tig, I still have 20L of Delvac 1 here for my Mustang.
I would bet a huge sum that all PC synthetic oils are almost all group-III. PC has 'bet the farm' on perfecting group-III oils, and possibly produce the best group III's in the world (yes, that includes Shell).
Like I've said a ton of times, PC oils are amazing, especially in cold-weather performance - one of the 'reasons' PC got into the oil and gas business was to develop cold-weather oils and gas for Canadian winters.
Like I've said a ton of times, PC oils are amazing, especially in cold-weather performance - one of the 'reasons' PC got into the oil and gas business was to develop cold-weather oils and gas for Canadian winters.
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I will not disagree with you on that. Having read some documentation on their 99.9% pure GIII base stocks, they have a LOT invested there.
I don't expect to be disappointed.
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I don't expect to be disappointed.
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