People Who Whine About Engine Oil Prices

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As I sit here reading all the new posts over a late day cup o joe, I realize that just because someone has like 5000 posts or more, doesn't mean he's an expert on oil. It just means he has more posts.

Touche to whoever wrote that I have proven that I still know nothing since joing bitog.
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I readily admit that I don't do uoa's or get into the really technical stuff, but I just like you...love oil, love reading about it on bitog and and love this site.

To whoever has an attitude...go fly a kite. At the same time, I enjoy reading all of your opinions. This is the stuff bitog is made of. The only thing left after a long day of reading those opinions is to figure out which ones are legit and which ones are complete b/s.

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Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Originally Posted By: FZ1
I run the synthetic 'cause it's cheaper,as I get up to 1 mpg more.


Lets see the math.
3500/20= 175 G. 3500/21= 167 G.
 
Originally Posted By: Bob The Builder
I readily admit that I don't do uoa's or get into the really technical stuff, but I just like you...love oil, love reading about it on bitog and and love this site.



I rest my case.
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So stop making assertions like you do! Don't say conventional oil doesn't have the "additives necessary to reduce engine wear" when you have no clue what that means.

Exactly what "additives" are in Amsoil that are not in Run of the mill conventional oil - that magically reduce engine wear???

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Originally Posted By: FZ1
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Originally Posted By: FZ1
I run the synthetic 'cause it's cheaper,as I get up to 1 mpg more.


Lets see the math.
3500/20= 175 G. 3500/21= 167 G.


You'd have to show me every tank of gas calculated perfectly with 3 consecutive runs of the same conventional oil and 3 consecutive runs of the same synthetic for me to believe oil of the same viscosity would give you a tenth of a mpg, let alone 1 or 2. Oh, and you'd have to monitor tire pressures at each fuel up as well, along with other variables (of which there are many) that affect fuel mileage. Just :2cents:
 
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Originally Posted By: Bob The Builder
I readily admit that I don't do uoa's or get into the really technical stuff, but I just like you...love oil, love reading about it on bitog and and love this site.



I rest my case.
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So stop making assertions like you do! Don't say conventional oil doesn't have the "additives necessary to reduce engine wear" when you have no clue what that means.

Exactly what "additives" are in Amsoil that are not in Run of the mill conventional oil - that magically reduce engine wear???

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I'll get back to you on that when you tell me what special additives were in GC back when all of you were touting it's magical qualities.

Besides, when I called Amsoil to ask, they weren't exactly forthcoming with the info.

Getting back to your resting my case head smack, please don't be condescending to me....I don't need that right now.

Oh, I'm sorry. I don't know what came over me just then. I believe it was a temporary case of thin skin.
 
I don't think it was the additives in GC as much as it was the esters in the base stock that had most excited. But I'm not sure about that as I was not one of them.

I will agree with you that Amsoil is an excellent oil, no doubt about it, but I must also say that I have never seen a million mile gasoline engine run on Amsoil, but I have seen a few on Pennzoil, and with out any of that nasty sludge problem.
 
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My apologies if I was condescending, but your first post and subsequent ones came across as more than condescending - like people that choose to use cheap motor oil and still get 300,000 miles out of their engines don't know what they are doing.

And 20 bucks more per oil change over the life of several vehicles taken past 200,000 miles adds up. All savings does. I'd rather have an extra grand or two in my IRA than tied up in expensive motor oil.

On average, I'd say every oil change I've done, filter included, has cost $8. With a boutique oil, I'd be lookin at probably $40 or more an oil change. Double the miles with the boutique oil and it's still going to cost about $10 more per change. With 2 or 3 vehicles over a 200,000 mile vehicle lifespan, that's a substantial and material savings IMO.

But if anyone gets their jolly's off by using expensive oil, then go for it! I get my jolly's off by being a cheapskate.
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Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Originally Posted By: FZ1
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Originally Posted By: FZ1
I run the synthetic 'cause it's cheaper,as I get up to 1 mpg more.


Lets see the math.
3500/20= 175 G. 3500/21= 167 G.


You'd have to show me every tank of gas calculated perfectly with 3 consecutive runs of the same conventional oil and 3 consecutive runs of the same synthetic for me to believe oil of the same viscosity would give you a tenth of a mpg, let alone 1 or 2. Oh, and you'd have to monitor tire pressures at each fuel up as well, along with other variables (of which there are many) that affect fuel mileage. Just :2cents:

No,thank you.
 
Originally Posted By: Bob The Builder
Originally Posted By: rmr76
Amsoil sucks



With only 6 posts.....ehhhh go away please.




I thought you told drew that post count doesn't matter. maybe this guy with 6 posts is on to something.
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If anyone wants to "prove" the difference in fuel economy, try this test. I don't care what season it is ..just choose a car that does single trips daily with cold starts. I don't care about the ambient temperature.

Fill it with dino 15w-40 oil. Drive it and record fuel economy.
Next OCI, fill it with synth 5w-20. Drive it and record the fuel economy. I assure you that you will see a difference in fuel economy just due to viscosity differences. Collapse the view as you compress the visc differences.

You can come up with any objection you please ..someone with this engine (any engine) will be in a cold enough environment to make whatever the spec'd oil is resemble a 15w-40 (someone in Canada, perhaps) ..and someone somewhere will have a sub warm up visc that resembles 5w20 ..so state your objections carefully ..that should pretty much cover them
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Originally Posted By: Johnny
I don't think it was the additives in GC as much as it was the esters in the base stock that had most excited. But I'm not sure about that as I was not one of them.

I will agree with you that Amsoil is an excellent oil, no doubt about it, but I must also say that I have never seen a million mile gasoline engine run on Amsoil, but I have seen a few on Pennzoil, and with out any of that nasty sludge problem.


Johnny, I believe Mobil did though, if I remember correctly? It was an Audio or Saab engine I THINK and they ran it for the "equivalent" of a million miles, changing the oil at 12K mile intervals I THINK and the engine was torn down after the "million mile run" and the bearings and other associated "wear parts" were all within spec for being brand new.

This used to be on their website.
 
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
If anyone wants to "prove" the difference in fuel economy, try this test. I don't care what season it is ..just choose a car that does single trips daily with cold starts. I don't care about the ambient temperature.

Fill it with dino 15w-40 oil. Drive it and record fuel economy.
Next OCI, fill it with synth 5w-20. Drive it and record the fuel economy. I assure you that you will see a difference in fuel economy just due to viscosity differences. Collapse the view as you compress the visc differences.

You can come up with any objection you please ..someone with this engine (any engine) will be in a cold enough environment to make whatever the spec'd oil is resemble a 15w-40 (someone in Canada, perhaps) ..and someone somewhere will have a sub warm up visc that resembles 5w20 ..so state your objections carefully ..that should pretty much cover them
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Don't know what the Pilot would do with those oils but with the majority of the wife's trips less than 3 miles and using a synth 0W-20 it is only averaging 13-14 mpg.
 
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Originally Posted By: FZ1
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Originally Posted By: FZ1
I run the synthetic 'cause it's cheaper,as I get up to 1 mpg more.


Lets see the math.
3500/20= 175 G. 3500/21= 167 G.


You'd have to show me every tank of gas calculated perfectly with 3 consecutive runs of the same conventional oil and 3 consecutive runs of the same synthetic for me to believe oil of the same viscosity would give you a tenth of a mpg, let alone 1 or 2. Oh, and you'd have to monitor tire pressures at each fuel up as well, along with other variables (of which there are many) that affect fuel mileage. Just :2cents:



Drew, We also should be wondering why his Accord only gets 20-21 mpg ALL TIME.

V6 or 4. That is more of an issue than what type of oil he runs.

Also, his OCI is 3500 with syn. If its such good oil, changing it (or conventional) way too early.

Bill
 
Originally Posted By: FZ1
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Originally Posted By: FZ1
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Originally Posted By: FZ1
I run the synthetic 'cause it's cheaper,as I get up to 1 mpg more.


Lets see the math.
3500/20= 175 G. 3500/21= 167 G.


You'd have to show me every tank of gas calculated perfectly with 3 consecutive runs of the same conventional oil and 3 consecutive runs of the same synthetic for me to believe oil of the same viscosity would give you a tenth of a mpg, let alone 1 or 2. Oh, and you'd have to monitor tire pressures at each fuel up as well, along with other variables (of which there are many) that affect fuel mileage. Just :2cents:

No,thank you.


Its easy to write something on a board but hard to have actual data.

The problem is there are people here who have done the work THEN post.

Then there are people who just post.

We know Bob is one.

Which one FZ1 are you?

Take care, bill
 
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
If anyone wants to "prove" the difference in fuel economy, try this test. I don't care what season it is ..just choose a car that does single trips daily with cold starts. I don't care about the ambient temperature.

Fill it with dino 15w-40 oil. Drive it and record fuel economy.
Next OCI, fill it with synth 5w-20. Drive it and record the fuel economy. I assure you that you will see a difference in fuel economy just due to viscosity differences. Collapse the view as you compress the visc differences.

You can come up with any objection you please ..someone with this engine (any engine) will be in a cold enough environment to make whatever the spec'd oil is resemble a 15w-40 (someone in Canada, perhaps) ..and someone somewhere will have a sub warm up visc that resembles 5w20 ..so state your objections carefully ..that should pretty much cover them
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Gary, that is way out in left field, apples to watermelons. We were discussing conventional compared to synthetic OF THE SAME VISCOSITY!

Of course a 15w-40 conventional oil will show less fuel economy compared to a 5w-20 synthetic in cold temperatures!
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Originally Posted By: rmr76
Amsoil sucks


Mods, with only 6 posts I know what I'd do with his account.....
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I just noticed the difference when I switched,that's all. I'm sure it was also a shock when you were informed the earth was round and not flat like you thought. Lol.
 
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