People line up to buy pot in Co.
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Originally Posted By: Number21
Originally Posted By: Trav
No problem give the kiddies some pot bubble gum or THC laced fruit juice (soda is bad for them).
We have kids running around that don't know if they are boys or girls using different bathrooms and such nonsense, lets give em dope too and see how that works out.
Its a sick world we live in.
Somebody always has to make it about the children. *sigh* That is always a terrible and stupid argument. Of course children would not be allowed to have marijuana. Just because children exist is not a good reason to make something illegal. Not even remotely. Like alcohol. Most teenagers will tell you that alcohol is harder for them to get than weed. Liquor stores check ID, drug dealers do not.
Hang on there! I am the last person to use the "Somebody always has to make it about the children" garbage on.
I know the taxes and laws they pass in the name of the "children" have made some people numb to the fact that there sometimes is a real need to protect our kids.
The fact is kids have been smoking cigarettes for a hundred years, they were always easy to get and still are.
Kids get booze when they are teenagers and party, they still get booze easy enough today.
Those horses are out of the barn now they want to let another even more miserable one out.
Why did the vast majority of kids smoke or try alcohol? Simple they see their parents, grandparents, aunts and uncles doing it. It was the grown up think to do.
Just read this thread, the love of friggin dope and its "harmlessness" is amazing, some of these dope supporters sound like Timothy Leary on steroids.
What makes you think for one minute their kids are not being told the same thing?
Mom and Dad smoke it, eat it, drink it or whatever they do with this stuff and they are going to do it also, kids like to emulate their parents.
Smoking this trash is not setting a good example its child abuse or close to it IMHO!
Originally Posted By: Trav
No problem give the kiddies some pot bubble gum or THC laced fruit juice (soda is bad for them).
We have kids running around that don't know if they are boys or girls using different bathrooms and such nonsense, lets give em dope too and see how that works out.
Its a sick world we live in.
Somebody always has to make it about the children. *sigh* That is always a terrible and stupid argument. Of course children would not be allowed to have marijuana. Just because children exist is not a good reason to make something illegal. Not even remotely. Like alcohol. Most teenagers will tell you that alcohol is harder for them to get than weed. Liquor stores check ID, drug dealers do not.
Hang on there! I am the last person to use the "Somebody always has to make it about the children" garbage on.
I know the taxes and laws they pass in the name of the "children" have made some people numb to the fact that there sometimes is a real need to protect our kids.
The fact is kids have been smoking cigarettes for a hundred years, they were always easy to get and still are.
Kids get booze when they are teenagers and party, they still get booze easy enough today.
Those horses are out of the barn now they want to let another even more miserable one out.
Why did the vast majority of kids smoke or try alcohol? Simple they see their parents, grandparents, aunts and uncles doing it. It was the grown up think to do.
Just read this thread, the love of friggin dope and its "harmlessness" is amazing, some of these dope supporters sound like Timothy Leary on steroids.
What makes you think for one minute their kids are not being told the same thing?
Mom and Dad smoke it, eat it, drink it or whatever they do with this stuff and they are going to do it also, kids like to emulate their parents.
Smoking this trash is not setting a good example its child abuse or close to it IMHO!
Didnt read all the comments. Personally I think smoking pot is dumb, but so is drinking alcohol really. I think it should be legal. It being illegal has only created a powerful drug trade. The people who do it already do. Making it illegal doesnt stop that. People shouldn't be in prison for comitting crimes upon themselves. They want to smoke let them. If they hurt others while doing it throw the book at them.
Originally Posted By: whip
Originally Posted By: grampi
Believe what you want....
In other words, you can't prove your point........
No, in other words people believe what they want and they only believe info from sources that support their side of the argument. I could sit here and post links all day long that show marijuana use is not harmful, and people will just claim the information is biased. I have done a lot of research on the subject, taken in all of the info from both sides, and there is one key element that's always missing from the side that claims it's bad for you. There is no information from any studies of people dying as a result of health issues caused by marijuana use. I find it more than just a little peculiar that something that is supposedly harmful never causes any deaths. Hundreds of thousands of people die every year from cigarettes, alcohol, other illegal drugs, heart disease from poor diet, etc, but nobody ever dies from marijuana use. Why do you think that is?
Originally Posted By: grampi
Believe what you want....
In other words, you can't prove your point........
No, in other words people believe what they want and they only believe info from sources that support their side of the argument. I could sit here and post links all day long that show marijuana use is not harmful, and people will just claim the information is biased. I have done a lot of research on the subject, taken in all of the info from both sides, and there is one key element that's always missing from the side that claims it's bad for you. There is no information from any studies of people dying as a result of health issues caused by marijuana use. I find it more than just a little peculiar that something that is supposedly harmful never causes any deaths. Hundreds of thousands of people die every year from cigarettes, alcohol, other illegal drugs, heart disease from poor diet, etc, but nobody ever dies from marijuana use. Why do you think that is?
As soon as we can establish what THC levels constitute impaired driving and come up with an accurate field test for traffic stops, I'm good with legalization.
This is usually the part where someone says, "I drive better when I'm high....it calms me down. Helps me focus."
Okay, you shouldn't be driving at all. Marijuana has been proven to impair psychomotor skills. Impair ability to identify and predict.
The government could regulate and tax the [heck] out of it. Make only US grown crops legal.
This is usually the part where someone says, "I drive better when I'm high....it calms me down. Helps me focus."
Okay, you shouldn't be driving at all. Marijuana has been proven to impair psychomotor skills. Impair ability to identify and predict.
The government could regulate and tax the [heck] out of it. Make only US grown crops legal.
I guess I'm old fashion. Oxygen is out and the legal new craze is in. I' m sticking with O2. I only drink beer in the summer now. I'm an unusal person, not an alcoholic, do not smoke dope, no nose rings or earings, no engravings on my skin. At my age now, to many impairments are not good for me...I stil ride the Harley, does that count as a bad vice? lol
Originally Posted By: Spazdog
As soon as we can establish what THC levels constitute impaired driving and come up with an accurate field test for traffic stops, I'm good with legalization.
This is usually the part where someone says, "I drive better when I'm high....it calms me down. Helps me focus."
Okay, you shouldn't be driving at all. Marijuana has been proven to impair psychomotor skills. Impair ability to identify and predict.
The government could regulate and tax the [heck] out of it. Make only US grown crops legal.
I have no problems with any of that at all. Tax the [censored] out of it, and punish those who abuse it and cause harm to others, just like a drunk driver that gets caught. As far as smoking it in public the same laws should apply as for cigarettes. I don't want some pot head blowing that [censored] near me.
As soon as we can establish what THC levels constitute impaired driving and come up with an accurate field test for traffic stops, I'm good with legalization.
This is usually the part where someone says, "I drive better when I'm high....it calms me down. Helps me focus."
Okay, you shouldn't be driving at all. Marijuana has been proven to impair psychomotor skills. Impair ability to identify and predict.
The government could regulate and tax the [heck] out of it. Make only US grown crops legal.
I have no problems with any of that at all. Tax the [censored] out of it, and punish those who abuse it and cause harm to others, just like a drunk driver that gets caught. As far as smoking it in public the same laws should apply as for cigarettes. I don't want some pot head blowing that [censored] near me.
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I'll make my definition of loser brief. Lets just call him an acquaintance, since I can't call him a friend. Married with three children, loses $180K/year job, gets a divorce, and loses his house because he likes to get high. He got fired, his wife had enough of his [censored] and filed for a divorce. To me that's a loser. He's working again for $50K/year last I heard, I'm not sure if he gave the weed up though. I have other definitions, but that one should some up what I consider a loser.
The question you should be asking is "would he be a loser regardless of the pot smoking?". I think in most cases, the answer is yes. I went to college in the southwest. A good number of my friends and fellow students at my school were high 100% of the time. Now they are PhDs, postdocs at Stanford, teachers, engineers. No one moved back in with their parents to watch cable all day.
I'll make my definition of loser brief. Lets just call him an acquaintance, since I can't call him a friend. Married with three children, loses $180K/year job, gets a divorce, and loses his house because he likes to get high. He got fired, his wife had enough of his [censored] and filed for a divorce. To me that's a loser. He's working again for $50K/year last I heard, I'm not sure if he gave the weed up though. I have other definitions, but that one should some up what I consider a loser.
The question you should be asking is "would he be a loser regardless of the pot smoking?". I think in most cases, the answer is yes. I went to college in the southwest. A good number of my friends and fellow students at my school were high 100% of the time. Now they are PhDs, postdocs at Stanford, teachers, engineers. No one moved back in with their parents to watch cable all day.
Originally Posted By: Trav
Hang on there! I am the last person to use the "Somebody always has to make it about the children" garbage on.
I know the taxes and laws they pass in the name of the "children" have made some people numb to the fact that there sometimes is a real need to protect our kids.
Did you know that more children die EACH YEAR in accidents with LEGAL swimming pools (~700 under 14yr olds drowning/yr) than because of marijuana use?
Protect your kids by being involved in their lives, for crying out loud.
Hang on there! I am the last person to use the "Somebody always has to make it about the children" garbage on.
I know the taxes and laws they pass in the name of the "children" have made some people numb to the fact that there sometimes is a real need to protect our kids.
Did you know that more children die EACH YEAR in accidents with LEGAL swimming pools (~700 under 14yr olds drowning/yr) than because of marijuana use?
Protect your kids by being involved in their lives, for crying out loud.
I support legalization. My support is to end a misguided and costly war on drugs, and to redirect resources to fighting real crime.
Synthetic THC has been available for a considerable amount of time, so there's not a moral argument against.
Synthetic THC has been available for a considerable amount of time, so there's not a moral argument against.
BTW, pot use is very common in my area and hardly gets notice from local authorities. Canada would have never been able to legalize pot if the USA has started first ... so it's our turn to start the process. Although I don't know if it could be achieved province-by-province.
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I'd be willing to bet if you asked a doctor if pot is harmful to your health he'd say yes. He might toss you a bone and say cigarettes are more harmful, maybe, but that's about it.
Absolutely not! I have a medical marijuana liscense because it was RECOMMENDED BY A DOCTOR (several actually) that I use marijuana.
A doctor might say that SMOKING is harmful. There are a LOT of people on this forum that need to learn that smoking and marijuana are two different subjects. You do not have to smoke marijuana. And you can't make marijuana illegal just because somebody might want to smoke it.
Originally Posted By: Umibozu
You can't just make a blanket statement and say it's harmless.
You can't just make blanket statements that it is harmful.
Originally Posted By: whip
Can you show me any links stating it's harmless.
Of course, but I'm not going to waste my time, because you will just say those were form people trying to legalize... *sigh*
Originally Posted By: Trav
Why did the vast majority of kids smoke or try alcohol? Simple they see their parents, grandparents, aunts and uncles doing it. It was the grown up think to do.
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Mom and Dad smoke it, eat it, drink it or whatever they do with this stuff and they are going to do it also, kids like to emulate their parents.
Smoking this trash is not setting a good example its child abuse or close to it IMHO!
So what should mom and dad do, make up lies about how bad marijuana is and tell their kids never to touch it? That will only make them want to try it. My parents taught me there is nothing wrong with responsible use of marijuana among adults. Just like alcohol. That is exactly what I will teach my kids.
To make something illegal for an adult just because a kid might do it is absolutely stupid and ridiculous. If you like that theory then you need to go complain about the legality of alcohol, cigarettes, porn, and motor vehicles. If you want to be amish that's great but don't make any laws that force me to do what you want.
I'd be willing to bet if you asked a doctor if pot is harmful to your health he'd say yes. He might toss you a bone and say cigarettes are more harmful, maybe, but that's about it.
Absolutely not! I have a medical marijuana liscense because it was RECOMMENDED BY A DOCTOR (several actually) that I use marijuana.
A doctor might say that SMOKING is harmful. There are a LOT of people on this forum that need to learn that smoking and marijuana are two different subjects. You do not have to smoke marijuana. And you can't make marijuana illegal just because somebody might want to smoke it.
Originally Posted By: Umibozu
You can't just make a blanket statement and say it's harmless.
You can't just make blanket statements that it is harmful.
Originally Posted By: whip
Can you show me any links stating it's harmless.
Of course, but I'm not going to waste my time, because you will just say those were form people trying to legalize... *sigh*
Originally Posted By: Trav
Why did the vast majority of kids smoke or try alcohol? Simple they see their parents, grandparents, aunts and uncles doing it. It was the grown up think to do.
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Mom and Dad smoke it, eat it, drink it or whatever they do with this stuff and they are going to do it also, kids like to emulate their parents.
Smoking this trash is not setting a good example its child abuse or close to it IMHO!
So what should mom and dad do, make up lies about how bad marijuana is and tell their kids never to touch it? That will only make them want to try it. My parents taught me there is nothing wrong with responsible use of marijuana among adults. Just like alcohol. That is exactly what I will teach my kids.
To make something illegal for an adult just because a kid might do it is absolutely stupid and ridiculous. If you like that theory then you need to go complain about the legality of alcohol, cigarettes, porn, and motor vehicles. If you want to be amish that's great but don't make any laws that force me to do what you want.
Originally Posted By: Number21
A doctor might say that SMOKING is harmful. There are a LOT of people on this forum that need to learn that smoking and marijuana are two different subjects. You do not have to smoke marijuana. And you can't make marijuana illegal just because somebody might want to smoke it.
I don't have much of a dog in this fight, but I will take a couple exceptions to those remarks. First off, just because something is prescribed by a doctor doesn't make it harmless. The fact that prescriptions are required is because the use of the prescribed product should be done under a doctor's supervision to minimize harm. It doesn't matter whether a prescription is something smoked, inhaled, swallowed, or injected.
As for saying you cannot make marijuana illegal just because somebody might want to smoke it, actually, yes, they can, and they have done that for many decades and in many, many jurisdictions.
A doctor might say that SMOKING is harmful. There are a LOT of people on this forum that need to learn that smoking and marijuana are two different subjects. You do not have to smoke marijuana. And you can't make marijuana illegal just because somebody might want to smoke it.
I don't have much of a dog in this fight, but I will take a couple exceptions to those remarks. First off, just because something is prescribed by a doctor doesn't make it harmless. The fact that prescriptions are required is because the use of the prescribed product should be done under a doctor's supervision to minimize harm. It doesn't matter whether a prescription is something smoked, inhaled, swallowed, or injected.
As for saying you cannot make marijuana illegal just because somebody might want to smoke it, actually, yes, they can, and they have done that for many decades and in many, many jurisdictions.
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So what should mom and dad do, make up lies about how bad marijuana is and tell their kids never to touch it? That will only make them want to try it. My parents taught me there is nothing wrong with responsible use of marijuana among adults. Just like alcohol. That is exactly what I will teach my kids.
And look what happened, exactly what i said! You are a big advocate of using this bloody filth. I cant say more than that on the forum.
So what should mom and dad do, make up lies about how bad marijuana is and tell their kids never to touch it? That will only make them want to try it. My parents taught me there is nothing wrong with responsible use of marijuana among adults. Just like alcohol. That is exactly what I will teach my kids.
And look what happened, exactly what i said! You are a big advocate of using this bloody filth. I cant say more than that on the forum.
Originally Posted By: Trav
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So what should mom and dad do, make up lies about how bad marijuana is and tell their kids never to touch it? That will only make them want to try it. My parents taught me there is nothing wrong with responsible use of marijuana among adults. Just like alcohol. That is exactly what I will teach my kids.
And look what happened, exactly what i said! You are a big advocate of using this bloody filth. I cant say more than that on the forum.
What happened? You're being ridiculous. What happened is I became a very successful adult! I am an employer of other people. I created two jobs last year. How many jobs did you create? I just moved my business into a 15,000 square foot facility. I bet I make more money than you...
I am not an "advocate" of marijuana. I am an advocate of allowing adults to do whatever they want to do so long as they don't bother others. I'm an advocate of not lying to children and telling them marijuana is the devil.
Please explain what is "filth". Now your argument is not about health, it is about "filth", so please explain what is "filthy".
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So what should mom and dad do, make up lies about how bad marijuana is and tell their kids never to touch it? That will only make them want to try it. My parents taught me there is nothing wrong with responsible use of marijuana among adults. Just like alcohol. That is exactly what I will teach my kids.
And look what happened, exactly what i said! You are a big advocate of using this bloody filth. I cant say more than that on the forum.
What happened? You're being ridiculous. What happened is I became a very successful adult! I am an employer of other people. I created two jobs last year. How many jobs did you create? I just moved my business into a 15,000 square foot facility. I bet I make more money than you...
I am not an "advocate" of marijuana. I am an advocate of allowing adults to do whatever they want to do so long as they don't bother others. I'm an advocate of not lying to children and telling them marijuana is the devil.
Please explain what is "filth". Now your argument is not about health, it is about "filth", so please explain what is "filthy".
Originally Posted By: LazyPrizm
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I'll make my definition of loser brief. Lets just call him an acquaintance, since I can't call him a friend. Married with three children, loses $180K/year job, gets a divorce, and loses his house because he likes to get high. He got fired, his wife had enough of his [censored] and filed for a divorce. To me that's a loser. He's working again for $50K/year last I heard, I'm not sure if he gave the weed up though. I have other definitions, but that one should some up what I consider a loser.
The question you should be asking is "would he be a loser regardless of the pot smoking?". I think in most cases, the answer is yes. I went to college in the southwest. A good number of my friends and fellow students at my school were high 100% of the time. Now they are PhDs, postdocs at Stanford, teachers, engineers. No one moved back in with their parents to watch cable all day.
Whether or not a person is a loser is not the fault of marijuana, alcohol, or any other drug or substance. It's the person's fault. It's like wanting guns outlawed because of murders. Guns don't kill, people kill...
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I'll make my definition of loser brief. Lets just call him an acquaintance, since I can't call him a friend. Married with three children, loses $180K/year job, gets a divorce, and loses his house because he likes to get high. He got fired, his wife had enough of his [censored] and filed for a divorce. To me that's a loser. He's working again for $50K/year last I heard, I'm not sure if he gave the weed up though. I have other definitions, but that one should some up what I consider a loser.
The question you should be asking is "would he be a loser regardless of the pot smoking?". I think in most cases, the answer is yes. I went to college in the southwest. A good number of my friends and fellow students at my school were high 100% of the time. Now they are PhDs, postdocs at Stanford, teachers, engineers. No one moved back in with their parents to watch cable all day.
Whether or not a person is a loser is not the fault of marijuana, alcohol, or any other drug or substance. It's the person's fault. It's like wanting guns outlawed because of murders. Guns don't kill, people kill...
Originally Posted By: CourierDriver
I guess I'm old fashion. Oxygen is out and the legal new craze is in. I' m sticking with O2. I only drink beer in the summer now. I'm an unusal person, not an alcoholic, do not smoke dope, no nose rings or earings, no engravings on my skin. At my age now, to many impairments are not good for me...I stil ride the Harley, does that count as a bad vice? lol
I don't know about it being a vice, but it's certainly a heck of a lot more dangerous than smoking pot! I ride a motorcycle myself and I can tell you I've gotta be on my toes all the time with all of these distracted drivers on the roads these days...soccer moms are the worst...you really need to look out for them as they're usually texting, or doing something else with a cell phone (or putting on makeup) and not paying attention to their driving...BTW, I think people doing whatever with a cell phone while they're driving are far more dangerous to other drivers than are people driving under the influence of weed...
I guess I'm old fashion. Oxygen is out and the legal new craze is in. I' m sticking with O2. I only drink beer in the summer now. I'm an unusal person, not an alcoholic, do not smoke dope, no nose rings or earings, no engravings on my skin. At my age now, to many impairments are not good for me...I stil ride the Harley, does that count as a bad vice? lol
I don't know about it being a vice, but it's certainly a heck of a lot more dangerous than smoking pot! I ride a motorcycle myself and I can tell you I've gotta be on my toes all the time with all of these distracted drivers on the roads these days...soccer moms are the worst...you really need to look out for them as they're usually texting, or doing something else with a cell phone (or putting on makeup) and not paying attention to their driving...BTW, I think people doing whatever with a cell phone while they're driving are far more dangerous to other drivers than are people driving under the influence of weed...
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Here is the #1 problem with marijuana right now:
It is still federally labeled as a Schedule 1 drug. This is what sets law enforcement, punishment, and prescription policy.
Schedule 1 drug definition states:
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Schedule I substances are those that have the following findings:
A. The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
B. The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
C. There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.
A. Not true for marijuana. Argue all you want it cannot be proven.
B. Absolutely, 100% proven false for marijuana by everybody including the federal government. I am currently being treated by a doctor with marijuana. I can give you his phone number.
C. Marijuana can easily and safely be medically administered in pills and intravenously.
I'm not saying they should sell it in vending machines, but it should not be a Schedule 1 controlled substance. That is ridiculous. It should be at least as legal as Vicodin. It's currently as illegal as HEROIN.
It is still federally labeled as a Schedule 1 drug. This is what sets law enforcement, punishment, and prescription policy.
Schedule 1 drug definition states:
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Schedule I substances are those that have the following findings:
A. The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
B. The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
C. There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.
A. Not true for marijuana. Argue all you want it cannot be proven.
B. Absolutely, 100% proven false for marijuana by everybody including the federal government. I am currently being treated by a doctor with marijuana. I can give you his phone number.
C. Marijuana can easily and safely be medically administered in pills and intravenously.
I'm not saying they should sell it in vending machines, but it should not be a Schedule 1 controlled substance. That is ridiculous. It should be at least as legal as Vicodin. It's currently as illegal as HEROIN.
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