Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 0W-20, 2021 Ram 1500 3.6L E-Torque Pentastar w/ 63,381 miles, 11,313 Mile OCI

[187Penguin]

Just another data point. I wasn’t able to find PUP, so I’m running PP 0w20 this time. I asked about how they think they compare, and they said it should work fine. Just FYI, the oil life meter said I needed to change at almost exactly 10k, and I ran 1,300 past that for science because they recommended to try 11-12k last time.

Seems like I’m good to 11k. I’ll stick to no more that and do another UOA in 20-30k miles.

 

[himemsys]

You *might* want to drop the mileage to 10k or less for the PP. It looks like the PUP was starting to thicken, which might mean the end of it's useful life. PP shouldn't last as long as PUP.

 

[187Penguin]

You *might* want to drop the mileage to 10k or less for the PP. It looks like the PUP was starting to thicken, which might mean the end of it's useful life. PP shouldn't last as long as PUP.

Yeah I’m going to err closer to 10k than 11k with PP

 

[buster]

A virgin/used oxidation value would be helpful. I'm on the same page as himemsys.

 

[FZ1]

You *might* want to drop the mileage to 10k or less for the PP. It looks like the PUP was starting to thicken, which might mean the end of it's useful life. PP shouldn't last as long as PUP.

This ^^^^^^^^. The oil is done and thickening. The PP is thinner than the PUP so 7500-8000 is my .02 You might want to try PUP 5w-20 as it is thicker than the 0w-20 and runs smoothly in my '17 Camry.

 

[Triple_Se7en]

7k OCI with this oil ..... tops!

 

[The Lube Guy]

Just another data point. I wasn’t able to find PUP, so I’m running PP 0w20 this time. I asked about how they think they compare, and they said it should work fine. Just FYI, the oil life meter said I needed to change at almost exactly 10k, and I ran 1,300 past that for science because they recommended to try 11-12k last time.

Seems like I’m good to 11k. I’ll stick to no more that and do another UOA in 20-30k miles.

I would change the lab altogether to Wear Check maybe.

Was there any work done to the engine involving resealing surfaces with gasket maker? I'm asking because of the higher Si number in previous UOAs.

The Blackstone comments read like ChatGPT generated them. They are not useful, and I would not base any decission on them.

I used to run Mobil 1 FS 1500 in our 2016 RAM 1500, 5.7 HEMI. Currently I'm running HPL NO-VII Euro 5W-30 in it. Chrysler never designed the HEMI with 0/5W-20 fuel economy oil in mind. It was designed with 5W-30 in mind, but 0W-40 will perform better in all climates, and provides better HTHS. Just something to keep in mind.

 

[187Penguin]

I would change the lab altogether to Wear Check maybe.

I’m planning on changing to the Amsoil one.

Was there any work done to the engine involving resealing surfaces with gasket maker? I'm asking because of the higher Si number in previous UOAs.

Nope. Not a thing done since last UOA. Same air filter and all. I think the engine is just finally fully broken in.

The Blackstone comments read like ChatGPT generated them. They are not useful, and I would not base any decission on them.

I used to run Mobil 1 FS 1500 in our 2016 RAM 1500, 5.7 HEMI. Currently I'm running HPL NO-VII Euro 5W-30 in it. Chrysler never designed the HEMI with 0/5W-20 fuel economy oil in mind. It was designed with 5W-30 in mind, but 0W-40 will perform better in all climates, and provides better HTHS. Just something to keep in mind.

I did a LOT of research on this, and found some info from an engineer that helped design the PentaStar. My understanding from him was heavier weight oils work better in pre- 2016 engines, but they thinned the recommended oil chasing efficiency. 2016 and on engines were tweaked and are fine with the recommended oil.

 

[The Lube Guy]

I did a LOT of research on this, and found some info from an engineer that helped design the PentaStar. My understanding from him was heavier weight oils work better in pre- 2016 engines, but they thinned the recommended oil chasing efficiency. 2016 and on engines were tweaked and are fine with the recommended oil.

We have a 2022 Jeep GK WK2, and a 2022 Durango, both with the Pentastar Upgrade (PUG) engine. I've ran Mobil 1 ESP 0W-30 in both, and currently running HPL Euro 0W-30. The engines run great on it.

I missed the fact you had a Pentastar in the RAM. Should have looked closer, otherwise I wouldn't have made the oil recommendations that I did. You can run 0W-30 in that engine, guaranteed, without issues, and it will protect it better. Try it, at least a 5000 miles run, and send a sample to the lab.

 

[Al]

Use a heavier oil.

 

[187Penguin]

I often get told to run a heavier oil. By My father, in particular. We’d all run SAE50 in EVERYTHING if he was king of the world lol. I’m most worried about wear from the constant start/stop of the engine. Wouldn’t 0w20 get to the top of the engine quicker when warm than 0/5w30? I think that’s a bigger source of potential wear than anything. In fact, I’ve read that the start/stop and instantaneous acceleration was a big reason they dropped to 20w

I’m a bit apprehensive to run anything other than the 1 and only manufacturer spec oil for my truck, which is 0w20. They have some really smart engineers that sunk millions into designing this engine. I’m out of warranty soon, maybe I’ll try something different.

I have a very good friend that was an engine engineer at Cummins for a decade, and he is absolutely diehard that I should RTFM and follow it lol.

 

[The Lube Guy]

I have a very good friend that was an engine engineer at Cummins for a decade, and he is absolutely diehard that I should RTFM and follow it lol.

Well, do that then.

 

[fantastic]

Wear results are trending down so that's great. However, I think the Fe is still too high for the mileage point of your engine. 0w-20 may not be working the best for that type of wear. If wear keeps coming down then fine to continue to run the 0w-20 but depending on where it stops declining might be best to bump viscosity. Let us know how it goes.

 

[himemsys]

Your iron has settled to 4ppm per 1000 miles the last two UOAs. You need to find your first UOA from Blackstone. They would have said on those comments how many miles the Universal Averages on the right column are based on. If we do some math there, we can get an idea if 4ppm per 1000 miles is normal for this engine. Or you can email BS and ask them for the most up to date value.

 

[IndyFan]

I often get told to run a heavier oil. By My father, in particular. We’d all run SAE50 in EVERYTHING if he was king of the world lol. I’m most worried about wear from the constant start/stop of the engine. Wouldn’t 0w20 get to the top of the engine quicker when warm than 0/5w30? I think that’s a bigger source of potential wear than anything. In fact, I’ve read that the start/stop and instantaneous acceleration was a big reason they dropped to 20w

I’m a bit apprehensive to run anything other than the 1 and only manufacturer spec oil for my truck, which is 0w20. They have some really smart engineers that sunk millions into designing this engine. I’m out of warranty soon, maybe I’ll try something different.

I have a very good friend that was an engine engineer at Cummins for a decade, and he is absolutely diehard that I should RTFM and follow it lol.

I would stick with 0w20 but I'd change it much sooner than 11k. I'm also not a fan of ESS, but that E-torque system is very smooth and nice. I've run my 2018 Pentastar out to about 8500 max and iron was significantly lower than that. The highest I ever saw was 38ppm on the first oil change at 2000 miles. I'm running 5 to 6k OCI's now and get 15-18ppm iron. I haven't done a UOA in awhile, so I will probably do another soon as I approach the 100k mark. I've got Shell RGT 0w20 in it right now from my clearance stash. It's shown very well in UOA's in the past.

I'm guessing that 11k has seen a lot of city driving with it starting and stopping a great deal? What % was indicated on your OLM? Mine hits zero at around 8k to 8500 with my typical driving pattern. I don't have e-torque, btw, and I don't use the ESS.

You could also consider Mobil 1 EP 0w20 if you continue to run the longer OCI's like that. I'd bet it won't start to thicken and will still be in good shape at that mileage.

I did one run of Havoline Pro DS 0w20, btw, and it had higher iron than any of the others. Still in the ok range, just noticeably higher. I run Mobil 1 EP 0w20 about 80% of the time.

My ex wife has a Wrangler with E-torque and she runs it hard with stop and go city driving and lots of idling on bulk 0w20 from a local shop. I'd love to do a UOA on that one to see the numbers.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[The Lube Guy]

I’m a bit apprehensive to run anything other than the 1 and only manufacturer spec oil for my truck, which is 0w20.

If you want something that's way better than Pennzoil 0W-20, I got two options for you:

1. Mobil 1 ESP X2 0W-20
2. HPL Super Car "Overkill" 0W-20 - It's called "Overkill" because it was @OVERKILL's idea to have this blend made

There is also a third option, which notably increases the HTHS to 3.2, which is high for a xW-20 oil. The net result is that you get a thicker oil film without increasing viscosity. The oil in question is HPL NO-VII Euro 5W-20. It's called NO-VII because instead of using viscosity index improvers like most motor oils, it uses mPAO technology to create the viscosity spread.

All the motor oils I've listed are PAO+AN+POE blends, so only Group IV and V.

Check out these specs:

HPL Super Car 0W-20 "Overkill":

This VOA was provided by member @OVERKILL, it's #2 bellow.

PDS Sheet:

If you want to see how good this oil is on its own, check out this thread: https://hplu.be/lQyEP



HPL NO-VII Series:

 

[IndyFan]

If you want something that's way better than Pennzoil 0W-20, I got two options for you:

1. Mobil 1 ESP X2 0W-20
2. HPL Super Car "Overkill" 0W-20 - It's called "Overkill" because it was @OVERKILL's idea to have this blend made

There is also a third option, which notably increases the HTHS to 3.2, which is high for a xW-20 oil. The net result is that you get a thicker oil film without increasing viscosity. The oil in question is HPL NO-VII Euro 5W-20. It's called NO-VII because instead of using viscosity index improvers like most motor oils, it uses mPAO technology to create the viscosity spread.

All the motor oils I've listed are PAO+AN+POE blends, so only Group IV and V.

Check out these specs:

HPL Super Car 0W-20 "Overkill":

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This VOA was provided by member @OVERKILL, it's #2 bellow.

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PDS Sheet:

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If you want to see how good this oil is on its own, check out this thread: https://hplu.be/lQyEP



HPL NO-VII Series:

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On paper, that X2 0w20 M1 looks great. But I gave it a 5k run and it came back with higher iron than typical for my engine. Still within normal levels, but I was a bit surprised at that.

I may run another round to see how it does and rule out some kind of anomaly.

 

[The Lube Guy]

On paper, that X2 0w20 M1 looks great. But I gave it a 5k run and it came back with higher iron than typical for my engine. Still within normal levels, but I was a bit surprised at that.

I may run another round to see how it does and rule out some kind of anomoly.

All Mobil 1 motor oils have cleaning ability. Although you can't measure wear using a UOA (ironically even lubrication specialists are sometimes tempted to do so), the higher iron might be from dislodging some deposits in your engine. What engine did you run it in? What oil did you use previously?

IMHO Mobil 1 is the leader in motor oils. For the price, it doesn't get any better. HPL builds on that because Dr. Leslie Rudnick works for HPL and formulates their lubricants. He previously worked for Mobil, and he is regarded as The Godfather of Synthetic Oil. And then it is also the cost factor: @High Performance Lubricants is a Industrial Lubricant Blender. They don't target the consumer market. Their target customers are fleets. Many of the blends I suggested above where created for BITOG.

As for Pennzoil:

PUP is not the same as PP. PUP is focused on providing exceptional wear protection, while PP uses a standard Dexos 1 Gen 3 licensed additive package. I like PUP a lot, but I don't care much for PP. I also like PP Euro L 0W-30 and LX 5W-30, and PP Euro 5W-40 & QS 5W-40. These are all exceptional oils.

 

[IndyFan]

HPL looks like great stuff! Wow, expensive, though.

 

[4WD]

We have a 2022 Jeep GK WK2, and a 2022 Durango, both with the Pentastar Upgrade (PUG) engine. I've ran Mobil 1 ESP 0W-30 in both, and currently running HPL Euro 0W-30. The engines run great on it.

I missed the fact you had a Pentastar in the RAM. Should have looked closer, otherwise I wouldn't have made the oil recommendations that I did. You can run 0W-30 in that engine, guaranteed, without issues, and it will protect it better. Try it, at least a 5000 miles run, and send a sample to the lab.

Have now run 0W20>>5W30>>0W40 in my Pentastar with no change in oil pressure - It would likely show a bit more with a 15W40 due to higher end of 40 range - not planning that …