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Originally Posted By: Built_Well
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: Built_Well
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Maybe they don't like the Top Tier gas standard? I get MUCH better gas mileage on ESSO (EM) than I do on Sunoco or Shell, both of which are Top Tier.


Can you share your gas mileage numbers for Top Tier gasoline versus gasoline that is not Top Tier?


I get ~230Km out of 40 dollars of Sunoco Ultra94. I get about the same running Shell Optimax Gold. I just hit 300Km on $40.00 of Esso 91. To me, that's a pretty significant difference.

And yes, the Lincoln is bad on gas, because I have a pretty heavy foot and I'm paying $1.45 a litre right now.

Hmm, that's interesting. I heard someone say on a different forum that they get 2 to 3 miles per gallon worse mileage when they fill up with Shell's Top Tier V-Power, but I didn't believe them. I guess I shouldn't have dismissed them so quickly.


Indeed. I simply cannot run the Shell gas, the fuel consumption difference just shocked me!!!
 
Originally Posted By: daman
I always love how M1 gets brought up in a PP thread,IMO there
both good oil's,i just happen to fancy M1 and think it's a better
oil,but thats me..that and i got WELL OVER 1,000,000 miles on the
oil in the many years i've been using it,never lost a engine
yet the the "high iron" levels it produces..$.02


I've got well over 1,000,000 miles on many different oils over the years... Not one of them Mobil 1.

It does not matter.

I like to fancy my $$.
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bill
 
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
I've got well over 1,000,000 miles on many different oils over the years,,i like to fancy my $$.
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bill

Yea thats with different oils NOT ONE OIL,,and it's only $$ can't take it with ya.
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Originally Posted By: daman
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
I've got well over 1,000,000 miles on many different oils over the years,,i like to fancy my $$.
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bill

Yea thats with different oils NOT ONE OIL,,and it's only $$ can't take it with ya.
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So much that it was Mobil 1 that took your engines to 1,000,000 miles if cheap conventional oil does the same thing.

So much for the tales that if you use different oils your engine will die from additive clash.

You are right, can not take it with you. So buy conventional oil and put the $$ to something that *really* matters...
 
Originally Posted By: daman
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah

put the $$ to something that *really* matters...

Like what???


I just sent $1000 to the Cancer Society in the name of my Brother in Law who passed away December 27th last year.

I am right now up in Montana as we had a service for him last Saturday. (over 200 people incl most of his work crew showed up. A true testament of what kind of a person/boss he was)

My point is, why waste the money if not needed? Why not spend (or save it) for something else?

I'm just not into wasting. I have run Mobil 1 and each and every time (incl the UOAs) show me why I do not continue it.

I've also bought other expensive oils to try out (just to see if all the "claims" are true. And again it shows me that what I've been doing for over 30+ years is working.

Take care, bill
 
I get bored after 3-4 changes of the same oil and want to try something else, so there's no point to the over-scrutiny. I buy on sale anyway, brands are less important.

Plain 5w-30 synth is kinda pointless, imo. 30 weight is so easily formulated with "dino" bases and is cheap. To me, synth oil is a specialty oil grade, product and visc range, like 0w-40, 5w-40, 0w-20 0w-30....whatever. When you need a 5w-40 in a turbo application is when you actually see a difference in oil brands and particular products. I'd prefer reviewing a volitility test like Jag's over a white paper wear analysis of 30 weight synths.
 
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: daman
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah

put the $$ to something that *really* matters...

Like what???


I just sent $1000 to the Cancer Society in the name of my Brother in Law who passed away December 27th last year.

I am right now up in Montana as we had a service for him last Saturday. (over 200 people incl most of his work crew showed up. A true testament of what kind of a person/boss he was)

My point is, why waste the money if not needed? Why not spend (or save it) for something else?

I'm just not into wasting. I have run Mobil 1 and each and every time (incl the UOAs) show me why I do not continue it.

I've also bought other expensive oils to try out (just to see if all the "claims" are true. And again it shows me that what I've been doing for over 30+ years is working.

Take care, bill

And my 20 years of using it tells me why i should keep using it,
we all have our own ideas what works and what don't,M1 works
for me always have always will... oh and i lost a mother to cancer at 55 as well so i know all about that side of the coin,i don't need a lecture on that, will they ever find a cure [censored] no..
 
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: Built_Well
....Plus Mobil gas stations don't sell Top Tier gasoline. That just doesn't sit right with me, and makes me wonder if the company is cutting corners with its oil, too.


Maybe they don't like the Top Tier gas standard? I get MUCH better gas mileage on ESSO (EM) than I do on Sunoco or Shell, both of which are Top Tier.


It's real hard for me to measure which has better gas mileage since the traffic on the highway is the factor and how the gas pedal is manipulated, I would say there's lots of factors that can't be precisely controlled. Probably has to do it in the racing track :) to find out.
 
Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
I get bored after 3-4 changes of the same oil and want to try something else, so there's no point to the over-scrutiny. I buy on sale anyway, brands are less important.

Plain 5w-30 synth is kinda pointless, imo. 30 weight is so easily formulated with "dino" bases and is cheap. To me, synth oil is a specialty oil grade, product and visc range, like 0w-40, 5w-40, 0w-20 0w-30....whatever. When you need a 5w-40 in a turbo application is when you actually see a difference in oil brands and particular products. I'd prefer reviewing a volitility test like Jag's over a white paper wear analysis of 30 weight synths.


I agreed, after using lots of brands, now i am looking for which is cheaper... but still synthetic though...

I used to use GERMAN CASTROL 0w-30 also... I felt it too heavy for my Civic which requires 5w-20.
 
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And my 20 years of using it tells me why i should keep using it,
we all have our own ideas what works and what don't,M1 works
for me always have always will... oh and i lost a mother to cancer at 55 as well so i know all about that side of the coin,i don't need a lecture on that, will they ever find a cure [censored] no..


Wow...

Sorry about your Mom.

I sure am glad I don't have your mindset.

And I was not lecturing you. (that was un-called for IMO)

Whatever.
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Some minds are closed.

Like yours.

Back to subject. PP is a excellent oil. No plus at the end.

Bill

PS: Ideas are not facts.
 
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah

Wow...Sorry about your Mom.

thank you...
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Some minds are closed.
Like yours,PS: Ideas are not facts.

My idea IS a fact because it works for me,and i've seen
great results from that "idea",thats all the facts i need
to each is his own.


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Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Quote:
And my 20 years of using it tells me why i should keep using it,
we all have our own ideas what works and what don't,M1 works
for me always have always will... oh and i lost a mother to cancer at 55 as well so i know all about that side of the coin,i don't need a lecture on that, will they ever find a cure [censored] no..


Wow...

Sorry about your Mom.

I sure am glad I don't have your mindset.

And I was not lecturing you. (that was un-called for IMO)

Whatever.
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Some minds are closed.

Like yours.

Back to subject. PP is a excellent oil. No plus at the end.

Bill

PS: Ideas are not facts.


Would M1's million-mile BMW or Audi test count as fact or?

Just curious.

I run M1 because quite franky, I drive the [censored] out of my vehicles. Tear-down of my Mustang 302 has shown me that I was doing the right thing.

What works in Bertha's Camry for 200K, quite likely will not hold up as well in a car being dragged raced and hauled to the limiter regularly.

Of the 302's out of Mustangs that I have seen torn down run on synthetic VS dyno, there is a notable difference in wear, rings being stuck and overall engine cleanliness. The engines that have had M1 and Amsoil have been the cleanest, with Castrol being up there too.

Will a conventional get the engine to 200K? I'm sure it could. But given the abuse that these cars see, I doubt it would hold up as well, nor keep the engine as clean inside as M1 has for me.
 
I think this does mean a little something.
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Never used the word "best".

I'm not sure why Mobil gets blasted for advertising. They simply list who uses their oil, and have 5 good real world testing videos of product performance rather then graphs.

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Mobil 1 is factory fill in:

* Acura RDX
* Aston Martin
* All Bentley Vehicles
* All Cadillac Vehicles
* Chevrolet Corvette C6 and Z06
* Chevrolet TrailBlazer SS
* Chrysler 300C SRT-8
* Cobalt SS S/C Coupe
* Dodge Caliber SRT-4, Charger SRT-8, and Magnum SRT-8
* Jeep Cherokee SRT-8
* Mercedes-Benz AMG Vehicles
* Mercedes SLR
* Mitsubishi Evolution
* Pontiac Solstice GXP
* All Porsche Vehicles
* Saturn Ion Red Line and Saturn Sky Red Line
* Viper SRT-10
Nissan GT-R

High praise that speaks louder than words.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Will a conventional get the engine to 200K? I'm sure it could. But given the abuse that these cars see, I doubt it would hold up as well, nor keep the engine as clean inside as M1 has for me.

that is true there,my engines are way cleaner running syn vs
my brother inlaws cars ran on dyno only,man his are scary looking inside.
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Originally Posted By: buster
I think this does mean a little something.
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Never used the word "best".

I'm not sure why Mobil gets blasted for advertising. They simply list who uses their oil, and have 5 good real world testing videos of product performance rather then graphs.

Quote:
Mobil 1 is factory fill in:

* Acura RDX
* Aston Martin
* All Bentley Vehicles
* All Cadillac Vehicles
* Chevrolet Corvette C6 and Z06
* Chevrolet TrailBlazer SS
* Chrysler 300C SRT-8
* Cobalt SS S/C Coupe
* Dodge Caliber SRT-4, Charger SRT-8, and Magnum SRT-8
* Jeep Cherokee SRT-8
* Mercedes-Benz AMG Vehicles
* Mercedes SLR
* Mitsubishi Evolution
* Pontiac Solstice GXP
* All Porsche Vehicles
* Saturn Ion Red Line and Saturn Sky Red Line
* Viper SRT-10
Nissan GT-R

High praise that speaks louder than words.

wow i didn't know about some of those, thanks buster..
 
Originally Posted By: buster
I think this does mean a little something.
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Never used the word "best".

I'm not sure why Mobil gets blasted for advertising. They simply list who uses their oil, and have 5 good real world testing videos of product performance rather then graphs.

Quote:
Mobil 1 is factory fill in:

* Acura RDX
* Aston Martin
* All Bentley Vehicles
* All Cadillac Vehicles
* Chevrolet Corvette C6 and Z06
* Chevrolet TrailBlazer SS
* Chrysler 300C SRT-8
* Cobalt SS S/C Coupe
* Dodge Caliber SRT-4, Charger SRT-8, and Magnum SRT-8
* Jeep Cherokee SRT-8
* Mercedes-Benz AMG Vehicles
* Mercedes SLR
* Mitsubishi Evolution
* Pontiac Solstice GXP
* All Porsche Vehicles
* Saturn Ion Red Line and Saturn Sky Red Line
* Viper SRT-10
Nissan GT-R

High praise that speaks louder than words.


Shows the Marketing people are doing their jobs...
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So would you say the majority of those vehicles are using Mobil 1 right now? What percentage?

I'd bet that most are not.

The Porsche dealer that I stopped by last year uses Castrol products. Even had a banner across the service bay... (I'll try to get a photo next time I'm near there)

Guess all those Porsches that were serviced by that dealer will be blowing up anytime soon.
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Take care, Bill

PS: Please don't tell me you are incl the bogus Las vegas taxi test in their "real world testing videos"...
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BMW, VW and all Ford brands are Castrol supplied. There are some heavy hitters there, Volvo, Aston-Martin, Lamborghini and Bugatti.
 
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