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Pennzoil joins the 20k mile club?
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20k eh? Unless you're using nine quart oil sump or better and just driving all the way all day on a highway going 60-75mph I don't know if its attainable. You add in boost, direct injection, fuel dilution, non top tier fuel and any other engineering flaw ( especially if its a domestic) and it's not going to happen. This is certainly a marketing gimmick just like it was with the exxon annual protection and the same as it was with the Castrol gold bottle and the supertech and Quaker State 20k labels. Maybe attainable for High Performance Lubricants and Amsoil SS lines. Maybe, just maybe Redline Oil HP as long as it doesn't have to deal with short stops and colder weather, moisture though they dont need as high of TBN as more general purpose oil.
Way too long of an OCI for my 3 - 4 bangers that only hold 4 qts WITH filters. I'll pass.
With so many engines today with low tension rings, the oil levels go down enough that IF the owner tops up enough, the original oil is gone by 10k miles, so the claim of 20k life is a mute point.
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Even if you don’t want to push your oil to 20k it’s nice to know that the oil has what it takes to go a bit longer than others.
For instance, if you want to be doing 10k intervals would you rather use an oil that’s rated for 10k or one that’s rated for 20k?
For instance, if you want to be doing 10k intervals would you rather use an oil that’s rated for 10k or one that’s rated for 20k?
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My V6 holds 5 quarts. Lame!
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I ran the M1 AP for the first 60k in my 2017 5.3L - it was 70% PAO and very likely to have other things not on an SDS … I don’t run past 10k on anything - but there are many store brands I would stop at 5k …
Since then - I have run 25% EC30 and VRP through that motor twice each - and the end result was I cut and tossed pristine oil filters …
How was it a gimmick?
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I really don’t think there are a great deal of folks buying 20k oil to do 20k - I bet it’s more of a safety factor thing for many - especially those willing to move past 5k and take it to the end of oil life monitors - or the longer runs that Toyota and others allow …
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These companies would do anything to increase sales.
The 20k mile claim is very vague (given that most engines today are direct injected, turbocharged, small, and burns oil) and I think we really need more strict regulations when it comes to marketing claims. I would not run this oil for 20k miles in my 4.3 vortec that only holds 4.5 quarts in the sump. The 20k mile claim is crazy, especially in today’s world with tgdi’s and oil consuming engines. Most people don’t even check their oils or even get it changed on time. Just imagine all the regular people that will use this oil and really go 20k miles with it. Their engines will lock up even before reaching 8k miles due to oil consumption. I feel sorry for people that don’t know any better.
I’m pretty sure in the near future, some company will come out with engine oil product lines called “Life Time Motor Oil”.
The product description will probably state something like this:
“This engine oil is formulated to last forever in any engine. If you do an oil change with this oil, your engine will never ever need another oil change, 300,000 miles guaranteed!*
Our life time motor oil line only comes in 0w-8 and 0w-16, to maximize fuel economy. These two grades of oils are backwards compatible with any engine, even in engines that require an oil as thick as 10w60! Use the 0w-8 for maximum fuel economy.
This product line contains a special synthetic base oil called Foreverlube, which can last 300k miles in even the most demanding applications. Use with confidence!
*We do not offer warranty, and will not accept warranty claims, and we are not going to be responsible for any engine damage that may occur. This product should only be used by people that have the financial ability to replace their engines every 30k miles.
The 20k mile claim is very vague (given that most engines today are direct injected, turbocharged, small, and burns oil) and I think we really need more strict regulations when it comes to marketing claims. I would not run this oil for 20k miles in my 4.3 vortec that only holds 4.5 quarts in the sump. The 20k mile claim is crazy, especially in today’s world with tgdi’s and oil consuming engines. Most people don’t even check their oils or even get it changed on time. Just imagine all the regular people that will use this oil and really go 20k miles with it. Their engines will lock up even before reaching 8k miles due to oil consumption. I feel sorry for people that don’t know any better.
I’m pretty sure in the near future, some company will come out with engine oil product lines called “Life Time Motor Oil”.
The product description will probably state something like this:
“This engine oil is formulated to last forever in any engine. If you do an oil change with this oil, your engine will never ever need another oil change, 300,000 miles guaranteed!*
Our life time motor oil line only comes in 0w-8 and 0w-16, to maximize fuel economy. These two grades of oils are backwards compatible with any engine, even in engines that require an oil as thick as 10w60! Use the 0w-8 for maximum fuel economy.
This product line contains a special synthetic base oil called Foreverlube, which can last 300k miles in even the most demanding applications. Use with confidence!
*We do not offer warranty, and will not accept warranty claims, and we are not going to be responsible for any engine damage that may occur. This product should only be used by people that have the financial ability to replace their engines every 30k miles.
Don't you mean the Hype Club?
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32k.. hard pass! Oil is cheap, engines aren't...
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Should they do things to decrease sales ?
I think it increases sale because people will not dare do 20k miles intervals. But Oil geeks like BITOGer may buy it, trying it, and yet still do 10 or 5k miles OCI with oil that may hold 20k miles.
I also use ACEA C5/C6 Oil on my Toyota, most of these C6 oil are considered to be a longlife oil, and 20k miles is possible. I still change mine every 5-8k miles, just because I chose economical oil that has trully approval from either VW or C6 spec. Unfortunately, ACEA does not do certification, just stating what the spec is.
Usually only Diesel car owners with 7L+ oil sump do 2y/20k miles interval in Europe. Most of them also mainly travel on the highway. The catalytic converter and DPF may fail first before the engine.
I also use ACEA C5/C6 Oil on my Toyota, most of these C6 oil are considered to be a longlife oil, and 20k miles is possible. I still change mine every 5-8k miles, just because I chose economical oil that has trully approval from either VW or C6 spec. Unfortunately, ACEA does not do certification, just stating what the spec is.
Usually only Diesel car owners with 7L+ oil sump do 2y/20k miles interval in Europe. Most of them also mainly travel on the highway. The catalytic converter and DPF may fail first before the engine.
No thanks.
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