It would be quite the feat for SOPUS to source their refinery feed from one particular source for use in one particular ancillary product.
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I definitely wouldn't want it in my crankcase
Given your screen name as “Accent Abuser” I don’t know why not.
Very cool video. Funny how the 3K OCI mentality is still around thanks in part to the fact that it used to be a sound recommendation. I also think the Jiffy Lube tube places trying to make a few bucks has also kept that mentality in play.
Shell products, including Pennzoil and Quaker State, were very recently being blended and packaged at the old QS plant at Congo, WV. The refinery there was sold off in the nineties, I think, but is still being operated by another owner. They were producing some group II base stocks, some of which were used for blending at Congo. So, you could get some Pennsylvania crude in conventional QS.
I'm retired now, so I don't have up to the minute information, but Shell put a lot of money in the Congo blending and packaging plant just a few years ago. It makes sense they would still be using it. They also just opened a new regional distribution center near Pittsburgh. It probably receives much of its product from Congo. I'm just guessing now, though.
I always felt bad how they just shut you guys down the way they did. It was the beginning of the end.
I'm retired now, so I don't have up to the minute information, but Shell put a lot of money in the Congo blending and packaging plant just a few years ago. It makes sense they would still be using it. They also just opened a new regional distribution center near Pittsburgh. It probably receives much of its product from Congo. I'm just guessing now, though.
I always felt bad how they just shut you guys down the way they did. It was the beginning of the end.
Ain't gonna hold up to the abuse!
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Driven Racing Oil has a product called GP-1 that is a blend of Pennsylvania crude and synthetic base stocks. They source their Penn from American Refining Group, the company who used to produce Brad Penn before the DA Lubricants buyout. I dont know where the synthetic portion is sourced from. ARG refines Penn crude at the Bradford, Pennsylvania refinery, which originally was the Kendall and Amalie oil refinery. That is where Brad Penn used to be made. As far as I know, Pennzoil and Quaker State have not used Penn grade base stocks since the 90s.
I think the Pennzoil for still using Pennsylvania grade crude longer than that. I remember regular pennzoil having a green color and my teacher told my it was cause it's penn grade crude. They was around 2006-2010
That's the first time I've ever heard of a finished product having a certain color due to the crude oil it was distilled from.
I think you better check facts on that one.
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Whatever the case may be, there was a time I preferred Pennsylvania brands. I used a lot of Kendall GT1 back in the 80s, then I switched to synthetic. Then, in the late 90s, I switched to cheap Haha. I miss those days though.
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"Pennsylvania grade crude oil can be broken down into gasoline, kerosene, fuel oil, gas oil, wax distillate, cylinder stock (or bottoms) and other refined products such as white oil and paraffin. Pennsylvania grade crude oil when seen in reflected sunlight has a green color and under ultraviolet light looks fluorescent."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania_Grade_Crude_Oil
Its been mentioned many times that the Penn grade crude has a greenish color to it. Watch the project farm vedio in the comments. He even mentions that the vintage QS is green.
And that carries over after distillation and blending? No it does not. Another dumb claim by PF or one of his followers.
Most finished products contain dyes which impart color.
Nice, but I challenge anyone to show it somehow persists after fractionation and blending. Base stocks are clear or slightly yellow and any other colors are added as a dye.
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Quaker State did not dye their non detergent oil, which is what was tested in the video. Nor did they dye their detergent oil, or Super Blend or Deluxe. In the video, the oil does have a slight greenish hue to it. It is not a dark green imparted by a dye. Why not just let this one go and let us enjoy ourselves?
Not saying this image represents any QS product, but this is what I immediately thought of:
The only oil I'm aware of that uses Group I Pennsylvania crude is Driven GP-1.
Penngrade-1 does not use Pennsylvania crude. FTIR analysis does not reflect it. They could be adding it at like a 1% concentration just so they can still market it but it's definitely not the primary base oil. Penngrade in insistent that their formula has not changed, but ARG has not sold any Group I base oil to D-A Lubricants in years, and Lubrizol discontinued their additive package in 2019 so they're lying about that.
The Group I Pennsylvania crude still has it's place. It seems to work well in nitrous-powered drag racing engines likely due to the high pressure-viscosity coefficient at low temperatures. The additive response is also really good so it works great as a break-in oil. For anything that'll see >200*F sustained, it's not really desirable. Driven GP-1 has shown more power in dyno testing compared to other Driven oils and API oils. It's a majority Group I with 15-30% Group III, ~1300 ppm Zn/P, and ~350 ppm Mo. It's definitely not an oil you want to run past ~5k miles though. It's home is in classic cars with old flat tappet cam engines while also having success in drag racing.
Penngrade-1 does not use Pennsylvania crude. FTIR analysis does not reflect it. They could be adding it at like a 1% concentration just so they can still market it but it's definitely not the primary base oil. Penngrade in insistent that their formula has not changed, but ARG has not sold any Group I base oil to D-A Lubricants in years, and Lubrizol discontinued their additive package in 2019 so they're lying about that.
The Group I Pennsylvania crude still has it's place. It seems to work well in nitrous-powered drag racing engines likely due to the high pressure-viscosity coefficient at low temperatures. The additive response is also really good so it works great as a break-in oil. For anything that'll see >200*F sustained, it's not really desirable. Driven GP-1 has shown more power in dyno testing compared to other Driven oils and API oils. It's a majority Group I with 15-30% Group III, ~1300 ppm Zn/P, and ~350 ppm Mo. It's definitely not an oil you want to run past ~5k miles though. It's home is in classic cars with old flat tappet cam engines while also having success in drag racing.
Did you open your eyes?
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The new K&N motor oil.....because it's made by PennGrade.
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