Would you guys either choose a PAO synthetic oil like mobil 1 or EOP synthetic oil like pennzoil platinum?
PAO vs EOP survey
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I like both.
I'd like to use an EOP if Pennzoil made it in 5w40.
PP. Mobil1 is overpriced now. It's $6 now.
M-1 5w and 10w30 in the 5-quart jug at Wal-Mart = $20.99.
M-1 EP 5-quart jug at Wal-Mart = $25.50
I've also seen EP as high as $6.39 per quart at Advance Auto and other retailers.
Platinum is $4.98 per quart at Advance, though I just paid $27.48 today for 6 quarts. After I receive my $15 rebate, it's at $2.08 per quart. Not too shabby for an EOP.
Then, there's alway Amsoil S3k. Price that out for us, please.
M-1 EP 5-quart jug at Wal-Mart = $25.50
I've also seen EP as high as $6.39 per quart at Advance Auto and other retailers.
Platinum is $4.98 per quart at Advance, though I just paid $27.48 today for 6 quarts. After I receive my $15 rebate, it's at $2.08 per quart. Not too shabby for an EOP.
Then, there's alway Amsoil S3k. Price that out for us, please.
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I use both -- M-1 in the Colorado & Platinum in the S-10.
I'll use Mobil1.. Used it for a long time, no oil consumption, engine runs excellent. I'll stick with what's been working.
I have absolutely no use for M1 now that they've split their line and gone up the price ladder with what I think of as their old "regular" product.
If I was in the market for that general type of oil, I'd choose Pennzoil Platinum every time. That being said, I'm presently using the cheap stuff in our vehicles. The higher priced stuff doesn't look cost-effective for us at this point. If I'm not concerned with cost-efficacy, I'll take Red Line without the slightest hesitation.
If I was in the market for that general type of oil, I'd choose Pennzoil Platinum every time. That being said, I'm presently using the cheap stuff in our vehicles. The higher priced stuff doesn't look cost-effective for us at this point. If I'm not concerned with cost-efficacy, I'll take Red Line without the slightest hesitation.
Does anyone want share with us why PAO is better or why EOP is better in terms of protection in extreme driving conditions etc?
They do...or at least it's listed on their web site along with a 5w30 "Euro". Not sure if those two "Euro" grades are sold in the U.S. or not.
From an industry trade journal:
"Polyalphaolefins (PAOs) To See Competition From Shell
PAOs have long been the premier base stocks in terms of performance. Although challenged by Group III stocks, PAOs still represent the superior product in the industry; however, Shell Global Solutions is developing a fluid to give PAOs competition from an economic and performance standpoint.
The fluid, known as ethylene-alphaolefin polymer (EOP), was originally developed by Pennzoil-Quaker State, now owned by Shell. Shell recently scaled up a pilot plant to produce EOP, making
viscosities comparable to PAOs, like 4 and 8 cSt material. At a recent presentation in Ostfildern, Germany, a Shell representative stated EOP is synthesized from ethylene, propylene and butene using a single-site catalyst, and the reaction products from the process exhibit comparable physical and chemical properties to PAOs. Even more, the feed stocks and manufacturing costs are significantly lower for EOP than PAOs.
However, some issues exist with EOPs that must be resolved first, of which additive solubility and seal compatibility represent the highest priority. Finished costs are expected to be 20-30 percent lower than PAOs for the 4 and 8 cSt material, with higher viscosities being as
much as one-third the cost of a PAO. Initial applications are targeted for high viscosity gear oils and some other industrial oils as well as some premium engine oil formulation."
I think it's highly likely that they resolved any issues with additive solubility and seal compatibility. Don't know if EOP has any properties that are superior to PAO. Maybe MolaKule will chime in.
"Polyalphaolefins (PAOs) To See Competition From Shell
PAOs have long been the premier base stocks in terms of performance. Although challenged by Group III stocks, PAOs still represent the superior product in the industry; however, Shell Global Solutions is developing a fluid to give PAOs competition from an economic and performance standpoint.
The fluid, known as ethylene-alphaolefin polymer (EOP), was originally developed by Pennzoil-Quaker State, now owned by Shell. Shell recently scaled up a pilot plant to produce EOP, making
viscosities comparable to PAOs, like 4 and 8 cSt material. At a recent presentation in Ostfildern, Germany, a Shell representative stated EOP is synthesized from ethylene, propylene and butene using a single-site catalyst, and the reaction products from the process exhibit comparable physical and chemical properties to PAOs. Even more, the feed stocks and manufacturing costs are significantly lower for EOP than PAOs.
However, some issues exist with EOPs that must be resolved first, of which additive solubility and seal compatibility represent the highest priority. Finished costs are expected to be 20-30 percent lower than PAOs for the 4 and 8 cSt material, with higher viscosities being as
much as one-third the cost of a PAO. Initial applications are targeted for high viscosity gear oils and some other industrial oils as well as some premium engine oil formulation."
I think it's highly likely that they resolved any issues with additive solubility and seal compatibility. Don't know if EOP has any properties that are superior to PAO. Maybe MolaKule will chime in.
I've seen Pennz Plat 5W40 in a parts stores..think that it was eith a Federated or Robbins parts store...small store, not much selection but did see the 5W40 so it does exist
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