Paid posters for Auto Rx

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Originally Posted By: Anies

So after all that, I am going to close and give you one word that describes BITOG at least to me.

Family.


The in-fighting, the moral support, the friends and foes we make and the information we share. Oil is the blood that runs in our veins, its what binds us and makes BITOG what it is. You can't change or stave off progression, but you can try to make the best out of that change and provide the newer BITOG generation with the insight, wisdom and support that made the older days special to you.


Wait....I just need a minute........I luv u too man.
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Originally Posted By: Johnny
I've had the solution to this whole problem of which additive is best for years. Don't use additives. Buy a well formulated motor oil and change it on a regular basis.


It says that Pennzoil Platinum cleans up to 46% of the sludge in your engine on the 1st oil change, now Pennzoil Ultra is coming out and from what I read in an e-mail that Johnny got it seems the Ultra cleans 36% more sludge than the Pennzoil Platinum.

If you take 46% times 36% that comes out to 62.56%, so 62% of your sludge in your engine can be cleaned out in one oil change, maybe 2 OCI's to be on the safe side.

If more oil's come out like Pennzoil Platinum and Pennzoil Ultra and show good cleaning abilities we just might not need any oil additives, time will tell.
 
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Originally Posted By: Johnny
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I need a new box of tissues to wipe my eyes. Maybe the beginnings of the 2010 BITOG love fest.
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I'm feeling the love, could it be time for a Bitog group hug
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? Then we can return to our normal bickering.
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Originally Posted By: MolaKule
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It is the oil that binds us.


Or too much cheese!
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So that's it! [censored]! Or not.

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I have gained a LOT of knowledge from posts by MolaKule, Terry, Jonny, Gary Allen.....and others.
I value real world experience and results over marketing.
"Paid Posters" makes me think of cash being paid, vs free product.
I guess that I don't see a problem with "Hey, I saw you said nice things about my product.....here is some for free".
Now, "If you say nice things about my product, I will give you some for free". Might me moving toward modivation, but still.....It is far from the marketing for many products we use every day.

I have heard some folks hawking Amsoil at the county fair.......and have been super turned off by the junk that spills out of their mouths.....but I would not let that keep me from using a Amsoil product.

I can understand Frank being protective of his "baby", and maybe even taking a comment against his product as a comment against him personally.
He has put so much of himself into his product.....and has so much riding on it.
Sometimes us technical / engineering folks can be less than personable.......I have found myself guilty of that....we can tend to be data driven, and less "soft skills".
In time, I learned not to be protective of my theories and ideas.....but, having made that mistake in my younger years......and learning from it.....learning that I can learn a lot more from others if I hear them out....keeping an open mind to what they have to offer....being polite when someone spews ignorance.......I often find myself most appreciative in the many cases that they WOW me with great information that I can truely learn from......
However, I certainly can understand, and relate to a person being protective, or abrasive in the face of input that conflicts with their way of thinking.
Again, I put myself first in the line as guilty in that regard.
I do not know if that is the case with Frank, I have not had any negative interaction with him......He answered a question that I asked about AutoRX some time ago....pretty much a YES/NO question, and I got that type of answer.......which is what I was looking for.

Take note of the fact....that most of us already know....it is SUPER easy to come off harsh, cold, and uncaring in the typed form....email, text messages and forum posts....when that was not our intention.
Technical / engineering school has further taught us to remove emotion from our typed communications....only compounding the problem.

I thought that I saw results from AutoRX in my '96 3.8L windstar, but that was only from looking through the oil fill hole......and it was pretty darn clean to start with.
So, my personal experience is not one that I could really put out there as a glowing endorsement for the product......but I believe it was a good thing for me to use.
Mostly based upon what I have read here......and my very limited experience with the product.
Would MMO have done the same?.....maybe......but that is not the product that I used.....and I cannot see anything left to clean to be able to try it out on that same motor.
I did a lower intake manifold gasket replacement project....and what I saw there was nothing present to clean.
I am not motivated to remove a valve cover, or otherwise dig further to verify......although it would be interesting to look around if I need to dig in for a repair.
This would be like Jonny stated...somethine along the lines of....good maintenance gave me a good situation to start with.

I like to tinker (within reason) and LOVE to see what results folks are having with.

Please keep the chat flowing with your ideas and experiences.
 
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I like to tinker (within reason) and LOVE to see what results folks are having with.

Please keep the chat flowing with your ideas and experiences.


sure you don't LOVE to stir the pot?


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Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Have you tried blocking off a small section of the radiator during the winter for faster warm ups? JMO


Isn't that why they put thermostats in cooling systems?

I'm not picking on you DP, I have spent most of my life here in the sub-tropics so I am sure you know a whole lot more than I do about warming up an engine in freezing conditions.

Am I missing something?
 
No you're not missing a thing. All blocking off part of the radiator does is help speed up the warm up process a bit. It is obvious the OP has a problem, and this helps with problem cars, SOMETIMES. IMO the sooner an engine reaches operating temps the better. In a problem engine even more so.


In a good running engine nothing needs to be done. JMO
 
Originally Posted By: rkpatt
If the product is that great , the deal would have been done long ago .

Originally Posted By: expat
Originally Posted By: sprintman
Several companies have tried to buy Frank out, one being the major competitor to BITOG but at a ludicrously low price. Oil companies approached Frank to use RX as a replacement additive in oil, but won't pay the cost of manufacture let alone Frank making a profit which he is entitled to do. This is all public knowledge and has been for years.


Perhaps they were only prepared to pay what it was worth?


Public knowledge my big toe. There has been ASSERTIONS for years that this is the case, along with the US military using Auto-RX. Still haven't seen an official document or any credible evidence for either assertion being fact. I remain open minded, but I won't believe it until I see actual evidence and not shills saying it's true, given how the Auto-RX operation is run.
 
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Originally Posted By: greenaccord02
Terry will recommend you run RLI Biosyn.


And at one time would recommend you use Lube Control!

No 3rd party folks sprint. I want an official document from the US military or maybe even a receipt.
 
Well Drew99GT, I have to agree this is a valid point. I do remember claims that several companies tried to buy Frank's patent and that the military had tried Auto-RX. I don't remember a lot about what was said about the military supposedly testing Auto-RX but I very clearly remember claims that several comapnies had tried to buy Auto-RX.

I don't know how easily military documentation could be obtained but if Auto-RX was so great the military probably would have been using it to get as much use as possible out of military vehicles.

It certainly would be interesting seeing some documentation that there had been attempts by various companies to obtain it.

I think if I found out that the military had not actually tested or used Auto-RX, or if I found out that no companies had actually tried to buy Frank out, I would be more disappointed than there being one or more secret promoters of Auto-RX. There would have been deception on a large scale and if people are engaging in large scale deception there has to be a reason for it. We would have to assume the product is not as good as claimed.

I did get some results with Auto-RX. A seal leak stopped. But as for engine cleaning I have no proof.

I am reaching the point where I could comfortably do without any engine cleaner or if I used one maybe give Lubegard Engine Flush a try. Or just use Pennzoil Platinum oil.

This entire situation is becoming more and more discouraging.
 
Originally Posted By: c3po
Registered: 01/24/08
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Loc: Maryland C3PO
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Originally posted by Frank Miller:
The posts are from users be careful of your sentences in your post.You were a paid poster for Auto-Rx and now over some point of anger over a issue of your making you post against Auto-Rx . Credibility is one of the most important product features. You wrong in everything you post (except your name )leave Auto-Rx out of your desire to make friends at any cost.


I see you finally admit that I was a paid poster for arx, if your product was so good then why would you need to pay posters, I would think the product would be able to sell itself.

I am not getting any money from Turtle Wax to post about MMO.

As you guys here can see I was a paid poster for arx, I know alot of you remember when SaturnFan called me an arx cheerleader and kingrob called me a troll for going after SaturnFan for using Berryman's B-12.

I was bought and used to push and promote arx, but when I realized MMO was a better product I was telling some of my friends behind the scenes about my success with the product instead of sharing it with everyone on the board right away, and that was wrong. I really thought arx was working until I started using MMO, if anyone bought arx based on my posts I am truly sorry, but I bought into the arx hype for awhile.

I then started talking about MMO on this board and then I left arx, I had an association with Frank Miller, and I ended up getting 33 free bottles of arx from it.

I think this is great that the truth is finally coming out, anyone have any questions for me.

You guys can find this post on Noria in a thread called MMO Is Better Than ARX.


Good on you for admitting it, but still if i were this site, i would ban you for life. Not only because you are nothing more than a door to door salesman, but who can trust your affiliation with MMO ?

I agree Frank was strange and not very straightforward, but when i talk to independent specialist in oil here in Australia who pay full price for Franks gear and use it for their own means with excellent results.

I had an oil leak, 1 drip every so often from my rear main. Ran the Auto-RX course, didn't really do much, so i ran it again for the clean and flush cycle. It has never returned after 3 oil changes, including Shell Helix Ultra and Castrol Edge Sport. It may return who knows, but it hasn't leaked for over 6 months. Used it in Power steering, not much noticed, transmission slightly better, definitely was dirty before pumping in new fluid. Its done what i expected.
 
Best product I ever tried for power steering was Lubegard Power Steering Supplement. It permanently stopped a power steering unit squeal in a car I used to own. The power steering unit had been squealing in cold weather.

I have some faith in Lubegard products. I know for a fact that at least in the past Lubegard products were used in automatic transmission shops. I PERSONALLY observed Lubegard products in such shops. Whether this is still true or not I cannot say because it has been a long time since I owned an automatic transmission equipped car. And at one time Lubegard transmission supplements were approved by two or three automakers. I would be much more likely to try a Lubegard product than some of the other stuff people talk about here.

I do have a problem believing what somebody says about MMO if they have already admitted to have been, or claimed to have been a secret promoter of Auto-RX. Although of course MMO is much cheaper than MMO. Hopefully Turtle Wax is an honest company.

And one person whose word I have never questioned here is Johnny who used to work for Pennzoil. He says that an engine will stay clean enough inside without the use of ANY cleaners. Of course, this is assuming a person bought a car or truck new and always maintained it. I have always seen too much evidence of abuse with used cars.
 
Re: Berryman's B-12?
Frank


Registered: 05/28/02
Posts: 2164
Loc: Jacksonville Beach Fl You should try another application of Auto-Rx by your post you "saw" some difference. Go to web site and find engine like your's and read what particular application is suggested. Auto-Rx is
now in Goverment Vehicles & Small Diesel Engines.
That's a demanding customer.

Re: Berryman's B-12?
RobZ71LM7


Registered: 10/24/02
Posts: 224
Loc: Louisville, KY quote:
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Originally posted by Frank:
Auto-Rx is
now in Goverment Vehicles & Small Diesel Engines.
That's a demanding customer.
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Could you elaborate or provide us with documentation? Thanks.

I found this on page 646 in the oil additive section, it was a thread called Berryman's B-12.

Frank Miller posted on 12/21/02 post# 261957

RobZ71LM7 posted on 2/22/03 post# 261960

I am sorry to say that Frank Miller never provided this member with any DOCUMENTATION.
 
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