Out with the Audi & In with a Pilot

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My wife and I bought a new 2022 Audi Q5 the end of 2021 during the peak of Covid shutdowns. Our daughter was pregnant with baby #2 and needed a reliable car, so we gave her our 2018 Honda CR-V with 40k miles. Bless her heart, she and her husband had saved $4,000 for a replacement car, oblivious to the used car market at that time. Since Hondas were nowhere to be found, we found the Audi in production, soon to be shipped to the dealer. We paid MSRP, which seemed reasonable at that time.

Within a year of ownership, Audi had an engine recall due to bearing failure. The dealer test was to change the oil and filter, drive it hard for a few cycles, drain the oil and inspect the filter for metal. Of course, mine didn't have any, so all is well in the world, right? Fast forward to a couple of weeks ago when a second engine-related recall came out for oil leaks due to engine cylinder cover bolts not being torqued properly at the factory. Sounds like it's happening on the turbo side of the engine with some reported fires. Audi does not have an official fix for it yet. The car has 37,000 miles with the manufacturer warranty expiring the end of this year.

We're planning on retiring soon and wanted a car which would last us a long time. I'd mentally budgeted for all the major repairs for a German car, e.g., timing chain and water pump replacement, new turbocharger, and whatever else popped up... except the cost to replace an engine or transmission (dual clutch). I did an internet search for the cost of an extended warranty (I know, I know). The least expensive came back at over $13,000. The dealer's finance department where we bought the car wouldn't even return my calls for a quote, probably because we paid cash for the car and didn't add a darn thing, just MSRP and TT&L. I called another dealership and their finance department was kind enough to tell me the cost was stupid-high. More than the internet quote.

Wanting the long-term reliability, I started shopping for a replacement and decided on the Pilot. We have a German Shepherd Dog and he could sit upright in the CR-V, but had to scrunch down in the Audi. I also didn't want another car with a turbocharged, two liter engine, and especially a CVT. The Pilot has neither. My wife had her color preferences (demands), so I searched for a match. We live in the Austin area and none were to be found nearby. I found five within the state of Texas, so I started calling the dealers and found one in San Antonio with no dealer add-ons. Before driving down, I was able to get about 9% off MSRP and a fair trade-in on the Audi, especially since I was very honest to them about the open recall. Some dealers wouldn't even consider taking it as a trade-in with the open recall. Overall, it was a fair deal for both of us.

The drive home north of Austin was exactly as I hoped for breaking in a new engine... lot's a slow-moving traffic with moments of speed-limit-be-darned driving. Never before had I wished for this exact traffic experience, and never would again. I switched between Drive and Sport modes, giving the engine plenty of opportunity to explore its RPM range.

The driving experience was overall good switching from an Audi to a Pilot. More road noise, but not too bad, seats less comfortable, tranny shifting not as smooth (10 speed torque converter vs DSG), acceleration as expected (Audi would do 0-60 in 5.5sec). Worries about future reliability and cost to maintain, minimal.

We have a two car garage with separate doors. Parking the Pilot in the garage is a bit tight, but it fits (I had someone park their Pilot in my garage before I could consider buying one). My wife test drove it at the dealership, but said she didn't want to drive it the first time with me in the car (yes, I'm offended). With the Audi, I bought a pair of parking blocks off Amazon and marked their location with a Sharpie. After positioning the Pilot, I marked their new location.

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No way would my wife be able to get that in the garage without mishaps.
The Pilot is 15" longer than the Audi. With it, I had positioned these parking blocks with enough room for me to get past the rear. I've watched my wife slam against without being able to jump them. I've informed her she will need to back in a little bit slower. If she does that, we'll be good. The width isn't much more than the Audi, having about 1.5" clearance on each side of the mirrors not folded.

Any suggestions on a good parking aid when the mirrors are folded? Previous research was inconclusive as to a reliable method which my wife would easily use. Tons of room side-to-side with them folded, relatively speaking.
 
Congrats!
Our friends still have their 2017 Pilot and no plans to get rid of it. This Pilot only has the 6 speed automatic tranny.
Regular oil & ATF changes and all is good.
 
Congrats!
Our friends still have their 2017 Pilot and no plans to get rid of it. This Pilot only has the 6 speed automatic tranny.
Regular oil & ATF changes and all is good.
Thank you. CharBaby. I've already ordered my Amsoil. Four filters, enough 0W20 SS for the first two oil changes, first at 500 miles (400 to go!), then next one 3,000 - 4,000 miles, then switching to 5W30 SS. So looking forward to no longer having to use European blend oils.

Anyone wanting 12 quarts of Amsoil European 0W30? I also have 7 new Mann oil filters and an OEM air filter for the 2022 Audi (2.0L EA888 engine). Until this last recall, I'd planned on the Audi being my "forever car", so began stocking up. I live in central Texas and you can have it! Don't want the reminder every time I see it on the shelf.
 
Congrats! Bummer that the Audi had such issues and a crazy warranty cost. The way the costs go on those cars, it makes me wonder why folks even buy them anymore. I guess they really lease them, the dealerships do the repairs at a far lower cost structure internally, then they resell for another big profit.

The pilot is a pretty good looking vehicle, imo. Does it have cylinder deactivation? If so, do you plan to deactivate?
 
Congrats! Bummer that the Audi had such issues and a crazy warranty cost. The way the costs go on those cars, it makes me wonder why folks even buy them anymore. I guess they really lease them, the dealerships do the repairs at a far lower cost structure internally, then they resell for another big profit.

The pilot is a pretty good looking vehicle, imo. Does it have cylinder deactivation? If so, do you plan to deactivate?
The Pilot does have cylinder deactivation. My understanding is that it cuts off an entire bank of cylinders (V6) instead of shutting off one or two at each end, leaving the center cylinders to be hot while ones next to them are relatively cold. At this point, I probably won't deactivate until I have more data.

The last time I checked, my dealer charged $289/hour (book time). That was last year, so it's probably more now.
 
The Pilot does have cylinder deactivation. My understanding is that it cuts off an entire bank of cylinders (V6) instead of shutting off one or two at each end, leaving the center cylinders to be hot while ones next to them are relatively cold. At this point, I probably won't deactivate until I have more data.

The last time I checked, my dealer charged $289/hour (book time). That was last year, so it's probably more now.
Even if a bank I’d still want to look into it heavily. Lots of info out there.

$289/hr pays for espresso and fancy chairs. I bet when they get the leases back and fix them for resale or auction, they have a way different cost structure…
 
I’d have wife pull in and do the tennis ball on a string thing on the windshield in addition to the blocks. If you could relocate those shelves you’d gain some needed clearance. That situation would lead to damaged body parts at some point guaranteed at our house.

Congrats on improving your long term vehicle situation, nice suv.
 
I’d have wife pull in and do the tennis ball on a string thing on the windshield in addition to the blocks. If you could relocate those shelves you’d gain some needed clearance. That situation would lead to damaged body parts at some point guaranteed at our house.

Congrats on improving your long term vehicle situation, nice suv.
Thank you. I suggested to my wife I shorten the shelves and was told "No". We've been married a long time and would like to continue being married to her. She did allow me to get rid of the Audi, which she really enjoyed driving. The least I can do is not tear out shelves which only I use. :unsure:

As for pulling straight in instead of backing in, there's very little clearance between the garage wall and what would be the driver's door. Had to switch to backing in with the Audi due to it being wider than the 2018 CR-V we'd been driving.

As for the tennis ball trick, she'd probably make a game out of to see how high she can get it to swing.
 
Congrats on your Pilot purchase. These are great vehicles! I suspect in the long run you’ll be thanking yourself for not dealing with the expensive Audi services/problems. Sounds like you have your oil situation in check. Oh and the Pilot trans will smooth out as it breaks in and learns your driving habits.
 
The Pilot is 15" longer than the Audi. With it, I had positioned these parking blocks with enough room for me to get past the rear. I've watched my wife slam against without being able to jump them. I've informed her she will need to back in a little bit slower. If she does that, we'll be good. The width isn't much more than the Audi, having about 1.5" clearance on each side of the mirrors not folded.

Any suggestions on a good parking aid when the mirrors are folded? Previous research was inconclusive as to a reliable method which my wife would easily use. Tons of room side-to-side with them folded, relatively speaking.
I'd add a tennis ball(hanging) along with the blocks.
 
I have a 2018 SQ5 that I bought new and have an extended warranty. 65k miles now and it has been reliable, only two small issues that were easily fixed. I love everything about the car. But, when I hit the end of the extended warranty a couple years from now, like the OP I don't want to deal with costly repairs.

I've settled on the Pilot's upscale sibling, the Acura MDX as a replacement. I'll get the TypeS because here in Denver, no turbo is no bueno. Otherwise I would get the standard model with naturally aspirated V6. Everything I've seen on the car suggests it is very reliable, and when you do have to do repairs, relatively easy accessibility. Good choice OP!
 
Congrats on your Pilot purchase. These are great vehicles! I suspect in the long run you’ll be thanking yourself for not dealing with the expensive Audi services/problems. Sounds like you have your oil situation in check. Oh and the Pilot trans will smooth out as it breaks in and learns your driving habits.
That's good news. It was not a smooth experience yesterday. I'll probably change the tranny fluid shortly after the first oil change, if not at the same time. Got some book learning to do between now and then.
 
I have a 2018 SQ5 that I bought new and have an extended warranty. 65k miles now and it has been reliable, only two small issues that were easily fixed. I love everything about the car. But, when I hit the end of the extended warranty a couple years from now, like the OP I don't want to deal with costly repairs.

I've settled on the Pilot's upscale sibling, the Acura MDX as a replacement. I'll get the TypeS because here in Denver, no turbo is no bueno. Otherwise I would get the standard model with naturally aspirated V6. Everything I've seen on the car suggests it is very reliable, and when you do have to do repairs, relatively easy accessibility. Good choice OP!
I checked new Pilot last year, and boy is it underpowered here at altitude.
Good news is current one is big departure from interior design of third generation, especially second one that we have.
 
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