Oil Recommendation please. 2016 370Z 7AT

[1JZ_E46]

Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: 1JZ_E46
Euro L. Interesting. That's a low SAPS oil for diesels. Less anti-wear additives. At least it's not a thin GF-5.

No, it's a C3 product, which is for gas or diesel, depending upon what the vehicle specifies. Castrol Elixion is a low SAPS oil for diesels, because it's CJ-4 and E6, with no gasoline specs. Nissan/Infiniti calls for a 5w-30 with the current API S spec, with ILSAC certification being optional. So, a 5w-30 in SN and C3 is acceptable.

Castrol's lube finder recommends their C3 5w-30 as a suitable choice for the 370Z and G37, as well. If it were me, I'd lean towards the new Shell 5w-30 CK-4 HDEO or Mobil Delvac 1 LE 5w-30, due to costs. Or, I could go A3/B4, because I'm out of warranty and it's my problem.

In the U.S. LL-04 is for diesels, LL-01 is for gas. In Europe, LL-04 is for both gas and diesels. This is due to the sulfur content in our gasoline (I know you know this). Seeing that the 370Z doesn't have DPF, I don't know why one would choose an oil with lower anti-wear additives. But that's just me

 

[Denali33]

While I agree with you about the additive package this will not be a long run interval. The car is not my daily and it's more of a weekend car. I don't know much about oil but know this meets the specifications required. The higher HTHS spec requirement won't hurt. The virgin TBN should be no less than 6 to start out with. Will report back with the VOA

 

[1JZ_E46]

Originally Posted By: Denali33
While I agree with you about the additive package this will not be a long run interval. The car is not my daily and it's more of a weekend car. I don't know much about oil but know this meets the specifications required. The higher HTHS spec requirement won't hurt. The virgin TBN should be no less than 6 to start out with. Will report back with the VOA


I agree that the oil would be just fine in your 370Z. I am just aware that these days, OEM oil specification is more of a tug-of-war between emissions goals and performance/reliability rather than purely on the latter.

 

[Denali33]

I was going to go with the Nissan Ester but was reading about how their was nothing special about it and unremarkable. Then Eneos came in but heard they had lackluster customer support as far as VOA and questions posed.

 

[Garak]

With Nissan's traditionally short OCIs, a C3 oil won't be a problem, especially with no direct injection. One would choose that oil because it meets the specs. As for SAPS, take a look at some of the numbers on ordinary SN/GF-5 oils, or SM/GF-4 ones, particularly after the SM/GF-4 rollout. With respect to AW levels, it's not going to be significantly different from an ordinary SN/GF-5 5w-30, but will have higher HTHS. It won't have A3/B4 TBN levels, and probably not even A5/B5 TBN levels, but that's not a problem with the OCI in question.

LL-04 and similar specs have been used in gassers in North America, provided an appropriate OCI is used. With respect to the 370Z's warranty, if that's a concern in the least, the specification should be followed. The manual doesn't call for a 5w-40. It doesn't call for a 5w-30 in A3/B4. It calls for a 5w-30 in SN or a 5w-30 in SN/GF-5. So, the options are limited to an ordinary SN/GF-5, a CJ-4/SN or CK-4/SN, or a C3 with SN.

I have the freedom to run whatever I feel fit, and did so towards the end of warranty. But, with a brand new car, I'd be interested in following the specification.

 

[Denali33]

Garak how many miles on your VQ? Any issues? Oil consumption?

From my research Nissans main concern amongst others was their trick VVEL system and its longevity.

 

[Dwight_Frye]

Do a search for my posts in the Used Oil Analysis section. I have had very good results with Redline 05-W30 and Mobil 1 Size # 110 filters which are slightly larger capacity. My 370Z was purchased new in Sept.09 and I have been doing 5K OCI's. I have about 65K miles on it now. It did burn about a quart between changes for the first 35K miles and then seemed to settle down. It now burns less than a half a quart.
I did get a good Blackstone report with the sadly discontinued Pennzoil Ultra (not the new Ultra Platinum)too. I wish it was still available.

 

[thelazyhero]

Own an Infiniti but figure its the same.

I'm running Castrol Magnatec 0W-20 on the Q50 Red Sport for now. Going to try PUP next since it was free and have a stash of M1 EP after that.

From what I've read, the VVEL is what kills the oil for Nissan cars. The only thing special from Nissan's "ester" oil is that it has a bit of moly. It was recommended for Nissan/Infiniti when their 08 Maxima was making a bit of engine noise and they loaded oil up with moly to help with noise.

 

[sir1900]

xW-20 is probably the last oil I would use in these engines unless OP is going to drive it like how grandma drives her cars. Even then, as you stated, the VVEL is what makes it hard on oil and as such, I can't fathom why anyone would want to run a 20wt in these cars.

 

[Denali33]

Oil recieved. I'm assuming this is the same as the new bottle?

Production date July 16

 

[thelazyhero]

Originally Posted By: Denali33


Oil recieved. I'm assuming this is the same as the new bottle?

Production date July 16


What is the same as the new bottle? The formulation? Also, I wouldn't run a low SAPS Euro oil in our cars. It's not meant for our engines and meant to be run on diesel. It's lower on ZDDP compared to normal oils you'll find.

 

[thelazyhero]

Originally Posted By: sir1900
xW-20 is probably the last oil I would use in these engines unless OP is going to drive it like how grandma drives her cars. Even then, as you stated, the VVEL is what makes it hard on oil and as such, I can't fathom why anyone would want to run a 20wt in these cars.



Meh. I run it because I'm still under warranty and that's what the manual calls for. I know it also states 5W-30 and I'll probably be running that once I finish off all the oils in storage but as of now, there doesn't seem to be much issue running a XW-20 grade oil. I'm also running the new VR motor so it doesn't have the same VVEL issues.

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: Denali33
Garak how many miles on your VQ? Any issues? Oil consumption?

I've got just under 100,000 miles on it, and no concerns, no consumption. As for the Pennzoil picture, that is the one I was thinking of, and trust me, the people you spoke to at Pennzoil, and Castrol. An SN/C3 oil is perfectly within the specifications of the vehicle and is decidedly not a problem with the short OCIs.

Yes, if I wanted a thick 30, I'd prefer an A3/B4, but that's not really in the cards if one is following the manual verbiage. For almost the first half I had the G37, it was using PYB 5w-30, and I was very happy with it. I'm quite happy with what's in there now, too.

Generally speaking, the car has been a great pleasure. It's a little harder on tires than I'm used to, but that's what happens when you compare it to the family type sedans I had before. But, they still lasted longer than the tire warranty, which is a positive. Brakes are easy to work on. The oil changes are easy to do. Air filters are a snap.

 

[Denali33]

Your engine is completely different than mine, forced induction VR vs NA VQ. It meet's the specifications that is in the owner's manual period.

 

[Denali33]

Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: Denali33
Garak how many miles on your VQ? Any issues? Oil consumption?

I've got just under 100,000 miles on it, and no concerns, no consumption. As for the Pennzoil picture, that is the one I was thinking of, and trust me, the people you spoke to at Pennzoil, and Castrol. An SN/C3 oil is perfectly within the specifications of the vehicle and is decidedly not a problem with the short OCIs.

Yes, if I wanted a thick 30, I'd prefer an A3/B4, but that's not really in the cards if one is following the manual verbiage. For almost the first half I had the G37, it was using PYB 5w-30, and I was very happy with it. I'm quite happy with what's in there now, too.

Generally speaking, the car has been a great pleasure. It's a little harder on tires than I'm used to, but that's what happens when you compare it to the family type sedans I had before. But, they still lasted longer than the tire warranty, which is a positive. Brakes are easy to work on. The oil changes are easy to do. Air filters are a snap.


Have always liked the G37 it is a handsome vehicle and a good balance between the Z, great handling and good punch. Glad to see she has treated you well!

 

[Denali33]

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: Denali33
Have always liked the G37 it is a handsome vehicle and a good balance between the Z, great handling and good punch. Glad to see she has treated you well!

I always like the 370Z, as well, and that would be very serviceable for me, too. The pricing is right these days, especially in relation the the G37's replacement!

 

[Garak]

I just ran across some of that Pennzoil C3 at Canadian Tire today. I had to take a look. Now, this demonstrates why Pennzoil must revisit their naming scheme. There is supposed to be a spot for Pennzoil C3 5w-30 and the A3/B4 5w-30. Both were filled with Pennzoil Platinum Euro L (the C3) because the naming scheme is inscrutable and the floor jockeys couldn't be bothered to pay attention. I'm surprised it wasn't just ordinary Platinum 5w-30 SN/GF-5 there.

 

[Denali33]

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[M54B30]

@ Denali33:
What air filters are you using and did you change them? Your silicon levels are mostly in the 30s.
My last UOA on my G37 with K&N panel filters resulted in 26 PPM.