Oil for new 18 Stinger GT

[Spdfrk1990]

Originally Posted By: Virtus_Probi
Originally Posted By: Spdfrk1990
Can we just drop the whole 0w thing? I am not giving them any reason to come back at me for possible engine trouble. I also did not design the engine and for some reason they decided 0w should not be used in the V6. Hyundai does make the engine as well after all.
So any thoughts on my Walmart options?
Pennzoil Platinum Euro L 5w30 in quarts $6.64 a qt
Castrol Edge 5W40 5qt jug $27.47
Mobil 1 EP 5w30 5qt jug $28.68

I would go with the EP to minimize LSPI concerns after having my present DIT engine recalled for that issue, but I could also see an argument for using a higher HTHS 5W40 for your application. You can also get a rebate right now for the EP. Guess I am more LSPI-OCD than HTHS-OCD.


Thanks Virtus. I did not realize the 14xt was recalled for LSPI as I use to own a 16XT.

 

[Virtus_Probi]

Originally Posted By: Spdfrk1990

Thanks Virtus. I did not realize the 14xt was recalled for LSPI as I use to own a 16XT.

Yep, '14 and some '15 FXTs were recalled, as well as some '15 WRXs (but not the STIs with the PFI engine).
I passed the leakdown tests just fine, the techs said the plugs looked "OK" but offered to change them at the part cost since they were in there. My engine had 40kmiles at the time and I thought it was worth it, got the old plugs back and they looked sorta crummy to me but the electrodes were intact. Lots of pics of plugs from the recall that looked like they had been sandblasted. Also a few engine replacements here and there.
I was already using low calcium/no sodium M1 5W30 before the recall due to learning about LSPI on here and subaruforester.org. I also like to stab at the downshift paddle when I get on it, so maybe I tended to avoid the "Low" in "Low Speed Pre Ignition". Only used manual mode shifting in the winter to let me engine brake on hills, I found it to be too slow to react for sporty driving. Also liked S mode as I mode felt kinda numb and S# was too jumpy for me.

 

[1JZ_E46]

Originally Posted By: Spdfrk1990
Can we just drop the whole 0w thing? I am not giving them any reason to come back at me for possible engine trouble. I also did not design the engine and for some reason they decided 0w should not be used in the V6. Hyundai does make the engine as well after all.

So any thoughts on my Walmart options?

Pennzoil Platinum Euro L 5w30 in quarts $6.64 a qt
Castrol Edge 5W40 5qt jug $27.47
Mobil 1 EP 5w30 5qt jug $28.68


Of those, PP Euro L. It also comes in 5 quart jugs. I saw them a few days ago at WM. It’s a mid-saps formula and is a “thick” 30 weight given that it is ACEA C3. Have seen great UOAs with it here.

 

[1JZ_E46]

I also wouldn’t rule out Delo XSP 5W-40 or Delvac 1 5W-40 ESP. Despite their diesel roots, they are fully licensed API SN oils. I know WM carries the Delo. Not sure about Delvac.

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: Spdfrk1990
Pennzoil Platinum Euro L 5w30 in quarts $6.64 a qt
Castrol Edge 5W40 5qt jug $27.47
Mobil 1 EP 5w30 5qt jug $28.68

#1 and #3 I'd consider the most suitable choices for the engine. I'm not a fan of #2, unless it was 0w-40, but we're not talking about 0w-40 options, so that's irrelevant.

What OCIs do you expect? One does have to be cautious with the C3 type lubricants that #1 and #3 are, in that regard, if OCIs are expected to be extended. If not, no big deal. An E6 5w-30, as I brought up before, while not likely to be found in any Walmart, can still be found at a good price and will decidedly not have a problem with low starting TBN. Delvac 1 LE 5w-30's starting TBN is 10 and Rotella T6 5w-30's is at 11. The mention of other more traditional HDEOs in 5w-40 and CK-4/SN works as well.

 

[Gokhan]

There is some good information here on TGDI. It's not conclusive on oil but it emphasizes the importance of the base-oil quality and additive package:

Turbocharged direct injection is engine oil's next big hurdle (by Lubrizol)

I would go with an ACEA A5/B5 or A3/B4 oil. Some suggested diesel-spec HDEO but they don't go though strict ACEA gas tests and they wouldn't be my first choice in a TGDI application.

Regarding base-oil quality, here is my base-oil-quality index (BOQI) table:

List of oils by base-oil-quality index: a ranking

In this ranking the GTL-based Pennzoil oils outranked other oils by far. However, Pennzoil 5W-40 costs twice as much as Mobil 1 5W-30. Sure, it could be a great oil for a TGDI application but wouldn't Mobil 1 5W-30 or Mobil 1 Extended Protection 5W-30 provide enough protection already for half the cost?

Also, you may want to put in a high-efficiency oil filter such as Fram Ultra, Mobil 1 Extended Performance, Purolator Boss, Amsoil, or Royal Purple, as the particulates are the major source of wear in TGDI applications.

 

[Spdfrk1990]

Originally Posted By: Gokhan
There is some good information here on TGDI. It's not conclusive on oil but it emphasizes the importance of the base-oil quality and additive package:

Turbocharged direct injection is engine oil's next big hurdle (by Lubrizol)

I would go with an ACEA A5/B5 or A3/B4 oil. Some suggested diesel-spec HDEO but they don't go though strict ACEA gas tests and they wouldn't be my first choice in a TGDI application.

Regarding base-oil quality, here is my base-oil-quality index (BOQI) table:

List of oils by base-oil-quality index: a ranking

In this ranking the GTL-based Pennzoil oils outranked other oils by far. However, Pennzoil 5W-40 costs twice as much as Mobil 1 5W-30. Sure, it could be a great oil for a TGDI application but wouldn't Mobil 1 5W-30 or Mobil 1 Extended Protection 5W-30 provide enough protection already for half the cost?

Also, you may want to put in a high-efficiency oil filter such as Fram Ultra, Mobil 1 Extended Performance, Purolator Boss, Amsoil, or Royal Purple, as the particulates are the major source of wear in TGDI applications.


Thanks. Pretty sure I will go with M1 EP at this point. Filters are a whole other topic now lol. I dont even see where M1 has a filter for the stinger yet.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: Spdfrk1990
Filters are a whole other topic now lol. I dont even see where M1 has a filter for the stinger yet.


Does it use a spin-on or cartridge type oil filter?

 

[Spdfrk1990]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: Spdfrk1990
Filters are a whole other topic now lol. I dont even see where M1 has a filter for the stinger yet.


Does it use a spin-on or cartridge type oil filter?

Cartridge.

 

[Gokhan]

Also, if you look at my base-oil-quality index (BOQI) rankings, the base-oil quality of Pennzoil oils have dropped since the initial introduction of GTL. When they first introduced GTL, they had excellent quality but these days their GTL is not much different in quality than Mobil 1's base oils. I guess, after their initial runs, Shell started cutting corners with their GTL production to make it faster and cheaper by somewhat decreasing the base-oil quality of their GTL.

 

[1JZ_E46]

Originally Posted By: Spdfrk1990
Does it use a spin-on or cartridge type oil filter?


Cartridge. [/quote]

Mann makes the best cartridge filter IMO. They are the go-to filter for euro applications.

Can't argue with the M1 EP choice. A bit thin for my taste but it's good oil (HTHS of 3.0 vs 3.5 for A3/B4 & C3).

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: Gokhan
I would go with an ACEA A5/B5 or A3/B4 oil. Some suggested diesel-spec HDEO but they don't go though strict ACEA gas tests and they wouldn't be my first choice in a TGDI application.

Yes. I'm sure we should look down our noses at an HDEO, particularly one that meets all the specs, has low phosphorus, low calcium, high magnesium, high initial TBN, and great soot holding capacity when considering oils for a TGDI on a continent that hasn't really gone ULSG.

Of course, I listed the C3 oils as the preferred option, assuming conservative OCIs. However, even in that scenario, C3 oils aren't yet terribly cost effective in North America, unless buying in quantity.

 

[Spdfrk1990]

Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: Spdfrk1990
Pennzoil Platinum Euro L 5w30 in quarts $6.64 a qt
Castrol Edge 5W40 5qt jug $27.47
Mobil 1 EP 5w30 5qt jug $28.68


What OCIs do you expect?


I may go 4-5k OCI's.

 

[Rat407]

What is the price of that thing? 60K?

 

[SatinSilver]

Closer to $50k.

 

[Spdfrk1990]

Originally Posted By: SatinSilver
Closer to $50k.

Depends on the trim you get. If you want the V6TT there is a GT, GT1, and GT2. Mine is a GT as I am the most interested in the drive-train and chassis and not all the gadgets. The GT2 also does not have manual shift mode like the GT does with the cable shifter. MSRP on my GT was 41k and has all the comforts I needed like leather, heated seats, auto climate, heater mirrors, heated steering wheel, and push button start. I also am not a fan of sunroofs which I was glad the GT did not have. There is only 1 or 2 small things I would of wanted from the GT2 that did not justify a 12k price hike.

 

[WhizkidTN]

Originally Posted By: Spdfrk1990
Can we just drop the whole 0w thing? I am not giving them any reason to come back at me for possible engine trouble. I also did not design the engine and for some reason they decided 0w should not be used in the V6. Hyundai does make the engine as well after all.

So any thoughts on my Walmart options?

Pennzoil Platinum Euro L 5w30 in quarts $6.64 a qt
Castrol Edge 5W40 5qt jug $27.47
Mobil 1 EP 5w30 5qt jug $28.68


If you can find Castrol Edge 5W-40 oil (5qt) for $27.47 at Walmart, that would be my recommendation. That is not available here in my location. Your desire to keep to a 4-5K OCI is also a wise one I'm thinking. Enjoy the car!

 

[dlundblad]

Originally Posted By: Spdfrk1990
Can we just drop the whole 0w thing? I am not giving them any reason to come back at me for possible engine trouble. I also did not design the engine and for some reason they decided 0w should not be used in the V6. Hyundai does make the engine as well after all.

So any thoughts on my Walmart options?

Pennzoil Platinum Euro L 5w30 in quarts $6.64 a qt
Castrol Edge 5W40 5qt jug $27.47
Mobil 1 EP 5w30 5qt jug $28.68


Woah. What's up with the cheesy oils all of the sudden? There's certainly no need for that Pennzoil Euro 5w30 mid SAPS stuff and if you go to the M1, you might as well run any other 5w30 synthetic on the market. I'd personally rather run a 15w40 mineral than a 5w30 synthetic if you want something cheap and easy.. Your car and obviously, you'll do as you wish.. I am just not seeing a point to this thread if at the end you run a non A3/B4 or HDEO in this car.

Edge 5w40 or some diesel 5w40 synthetic.

Broaden your horizons and shop elsewhere. Valvoline and Pennzoil have 5w40's too.

 

[Spdfrk1990]

Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Originally Posted By: Spdfrk1990



Woah. What's up with the cheesy oils all of the sudden? There's certainly no need for that Pennzoil Euro 5w30 mid SAPS stuff and if you go to the M1, you might as well run any other 5w30 synthetic on the market. I'd personally rather run a 15w40 mineral than a 5w30 synthetic if you want something cheap and easy.. Your car and obviously, you'll do as you wish.. I am just not seeing a point to this thread if at the end you run a non A3/B4 or HDEO in this car.

Edge 5w40 or some diesel 5w40 synthetic.

Broaden your horizons and shop elsewhere. Valvoline and Pennzoil have 5w40's too.


The point of the thread is for me to pick an oil that I feel comfortable running in my engine. Everyone has an opinion and I am taking them all into consideration but I really dont think anyone knows the best oil for this engine yet on this forum. It has not been out long enough for multiple UOA's with different brands.You also run into some people who will say stay away from this X oil and then 2 post later someone is like why dont you use X oil?

 

[1JZ_E46]

Originally Posted By: Spdfrk1990


The point of the thread is for me to pick an oil that I feel comfortable running in my engine. Everyone has an opinion and I am taking them all into consideration but I really dont think anyone knows the best oil for this engine yet on this forum. It has not been out long enough for multiple UOA's with different brands.You also run into some people who will say stay away from this X oil and then 2 post later someone is like why dont you use X oil?


That sums up bitog pretty well!