oil filter for 04 V6 silverado?

[Digital2k2]

Hey everyone, I'm curious as to what oil filter you'd use on a 2004 v6 silverado that sees mostly highway mileage and about 3k a month?

if any silverado owners read this I'd like to hear what oil filter you've used, and if you know off hand what the numbers for the supertech or fram are?

 

[Jelly]

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Originally posted by Digital2k2:
Hey everyone, I'm curious as to what oil filter you'd use on a 2004 v6 silverado that sees mostly highway mileage and about 3k a month?

if any silverado owners read this I'd like to hear what oil filter you've used, and if you know off hand what the numbers for the supertech or fram are?

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Hmm...interesting. Looks like they are using the PF47 filter as standard equipment.

Unless you have fitment issues (which you should not), switch to the PF52 filter...it is exactly the same, with the exception of being a few inches long.

I strongly recommend the PF52 AcDelco filter that is available at Advance Auto parts. It is a Delphi manufactured unit, is constructed very well, and on the 4.3L in my 1500 Chevy, has done excelent.

Example...beforehand, I was using the SuperTech and Pennzoil Long-Life 15w40 (truck is a '92 with 100K and bad valve seals...factory standard equipment that year). Somedays I would go out and truck would start excellent, with no "bad" noise. Other days I'd go out, and truck would do the "tick-tick-tick" thing for a few seconds, sometimes even a few minutes. I can only attribute this to a ADBV that was functoning intermittingly.

After doing a good deal of reserach, I decided on the AcDelco I have previously mentioned. Now, every single morning (and in just as cold temperatures) the engine starts up with no tick-tick-tick as at...just purrin' like a cat.

I don't know the extent of your knowledge in regards to these filters, but here are a few pics:

Here is the SuperTech St3980 filter (PF52 cross-reference):

Here is the AcDelco PF52 filter from Advance:

As you can see, the main difference between the two are the Delphi-made AcDelco from Advance has little weld beads on the top as well as having very large holes on the inner tube.

Like I said, it has been performing excellent for me, and I definitely would recommend it to you.

[ February 14, 2004, 10:41 AM: Message edited by: Jelly ]

 

[Digital2k2]

thanks for the advice, I'll probably go with that filter then. I don't really want to use the cheaper ones even though they're easy to find.. ever wonder why the supertech has one larger hole than the others? I've never seen that on any other filter.

I wonder how the AcDelco measures up to a K&N in filtration and price.. I would use a K&N but since the OCI is going to be at 3 to 4k, that'd get a little pricey.

 

[dickwells]

I believe that all the Champion made filters I know of have the one larger hole. I have mostly used PF-52 size pure1 filters. I just finished a run on a K&N filter, the results were ok but the analyzer made the comment that there was a lot of dirt so I have gone back to the Pure1. The previous run was my first with GC0w30 shifting from Mobil 1. This is in a 2002 silvo 4.3 and you can find my results in the uol section. By the way I just had a breakdown w/the 4.3, you can read about it in the mechanical forum.

[ February 14, 2004, 01:22 PM: Message edited by: dickwells ]

 

[Grease is the word]

I suspect the larger hole is for tooling during the mfg process.

 

[Jelly]

The main benefit of the K&N filter is higher oil flow, but unless your doing a bunch of high rpm driving/pulling/hauling, etc., you're not gonna need it.

Sure, while the oil is cold, and you get on it, you'll push the filter into bypass mode, but you'd do the same with a K&N filter too...but then again, you're a member of BiTOG, so you know the importance of running "gently" unntil the vehicle has warmed up a bit.

The Delphi PF52 AcDelco has been performing flawlessly for me, and if I were you, this is the filter I'd use.

Did you check the clearance on the oil filter? Are you currently using a PF47 size filter? If so, do you have the room for the larger filter??

[ February 14, 2004, 12:24 PM: Message edited by: Jelly ]

 

[T-Keith]

Again I must state, that after tearing both ACs apart(Champion and Delphi), I'd recomend the Champion. It has better construction and apears to have more filter area. Also the ADBV seems much better on the champion. Is your truck a 2WD or 4WD?

-T

 

[Digital2k2]

it's my uncles truck, I'm just the oil changer.. I think it'd be best to stay with the stock filter size in case of any warranty issues though. I'm surprised at how small this filter is compared to his 91 silverado's 350 V8. He had almost 300k on it when he sold it, it was still running strong.. but when having a oil leak fixed the mechanic fooled around with the timing and ended up making it run really rough, so he decided to get a new one insead of put any money into the old truck... this truck still had the origonal spark plugs and coolant in, btw.. which I found amazing considering how well it ran.

anyway, there aren't many auto stores around here, one at the end of the street sells carquest parts, but I usually end up getting the oil and filter at walmart for everyones car.. it's just too convenient.

this truck is 2wd also, a lot like the old one with two cylinders cut off, it'll probably see a long life with dino oil like the old one did.

thanks for the replies

 

[Jelly]

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Originally posted by T-Keith:
Again I must state, that after tearing both ACs apart(Champion and Delphi), I'd recomend the Champion. It has better construction and apears to have more filter area. Also the ADBV seems much better on the champion. Is your truck a 2WD or 4WD?

-T

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Appears to?
Seems much better?

T-Keith...I've used both Champion Labs filters and Delphi filters on my truck (used a SuperTech and a AcDelco Champion Labs filter) as well as the Chevy passenger car (3.1L V-6). With both the Champion filters, I had issues with the ADBV, whereas I would sometimes get startup noise, although most of the time I didn't.

Since making the switch to the Delphi filter, startup noise has been non-existent every single time (using same oil and same ambient temperature)

Like I said, you may "believe" the Champion filter is constructed better, but all I can tell you is that the Delphi filter has performed much better in service.

[ February 17, 2004, 02:38 PM: Message edited by: Jelly ]

 

[novadude]

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Again I must state, that after tearing both ACs apart(Champion and Delphi), I'd recomend the Champion. It has better construction and apears to have more filter area. Also the ADBV seems much better on the champion.

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After seeing your study, I have purchased a Champion-made AC from Autozone. I have always used the Delphi PF52, but I have to say that the Champion filter DOES look better in the pictures you have posted.

Regarding ADBV: We need to remember that these are CHEAP commodity items. I would not be surprised to see big variations in ADBV function among the same filter if you studied a large sample size.

It really surprises me that a Chevy 4.3L would be sensitive to ADBV function, since the Chevy V8 (same as 4.3) did not even use an ADBV for the first 40 years of production. Not saying that it cannot happen.. just saying that it really surprises me. The filter is vertical on this application, right?

 

[T-Keith]

I "believe" based on first hand experience from tearing the filter apart. Your statement is just as much opinion. Unless you have scientific proof, it's all opinion. I have used Champion filters hundreds of times, and never experianced ADBV problems. I've used a Supertech filter on my wifes Riv with 180,000 miles. It starts up at -20 with no valvetrain noise whatsoever. So apparently your belief is not always true.


Both are good filters. People can look at the cut apart filters on my site and make their own opinions. If someone wants to do an actual test like Bob has done with flow rates, then we can talk facts.

-T

 

[Jelly]

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Originally posted by T-Keith:
I have used Champion filters hundreds of times, and never experianced ADBV problems. I've used a Supertech filter on my wifes Riv with 180,000 miles. It starts up at -20 with no valvetrain noise whatsoever. So apparently your belief is not always true.

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Didn't mean to start an argument with you...but you never mentioned this before. You seemed to simply be saying that the Champion will perform better based upon your "dissection" of them, not on how they actually perform.

You now state that you have actually used them in service before, and I must say, it's great they worked for you!

Heck, with AC's only costing $3.50, he should buy both and see which one performs better!

Take care T-Keith, and once again, I meant no harm by my comments...thanks for coming out and stating that you've actually used these filters though.

 

[Mike_dup1]

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have used Champion filters hundreds of times

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You sure drive a lot or change filters often

I don't know that I could say I have used 100's of oil filters and I have been driving since 1963.

 

[T-Keith]

I change the oil for my whole family, and I drive 20-30,000 a year. I also worked at an oil change place for a year and a half. So I'm defenately in the hundreds.

-T

 

[ZR2RANDO]

Ok, today I was killing a couple minutes (ok I was out doing the shopping...I am the househusband these days....) and I went into the Local Autozone (Garner, NC) and I took a look at the oil filters....Looked at the AC Pf52...It was different than the 2 previous versions of that filter that I have seen before, (Delphi-Kmart and Champion-Walmart,,the 2 different versions that were shown in the pictures shown above in this thread...)
It had a baseplate that looked like the delphi version, definitely not the Champion version.
The inside tube had a hole pattern that was not the Delphi OR the Champion version....It had holes that were larger than the Champion but smaller than the Delphi, the pattern was more of a series of SINGLE rows around the can rather than sets of either 2 or 3 rows as is normal to the Champion clones, the tube was ridged like the Champion clones though..
It almost looked like Delphi and Champion got together and had a kid or something.....
Would anyone like to visit their local Autozone and confirm this...maybe someone who uses the PF52 can take some digital pics to compare with the above previous pics?
Maybe the AC folks have found out that we found out that they are farming out the jobs to multiple contractors????
Seriously, does someone want to check out the Autozones for a new player in the game?
Rando

 

[novadude]

Interesting... I just looked at the PF52 filter I purchased yesterday, and you are right... it looks like Champion, but lacks the one BIG hole of the Champion. Also, the inner tube does look different.

Go here and look at the first filter on the list... this is what my Autozone AC looks like. Note it is different than the Champion Super tech further down the page:

http://www.lesabret.com/filters/filter.html

 

[ZR2RANDO]

I think the one I saw does look similar to the first one of those pictures..but I can't tell if the ridges inside the tube look the same.
The PF52 had a different hole pattern than the PF47 did.
Maybe AC is transitioning into a THIRD contractor?
I have cut open both the Delphi and Champion versions of the PF52 before, both had 244 sq in of media. The Champion had more (61) shallower pleats, the Delphi had fewer (36) deeper pleats. Looks like maybe it's time for surgery again

Rando

[ February 19, 2004, 08:11 AM: Message edited by: ZR2RANDO ]

 

[T-Keith]

The AC champions have several different base plates. Some have the six even sized holes some have the single larger hole. Could you see the ADBV in the center holes?

-T

 

[ZR2RANDO]

The ADBV looked like The Champion from what I could tell, The center tube was ridged like the Champion. The baseplate looked like the Delphi. The size and pattern of the center tube holes did not look like either one at all (and was not the same as the PF47 either, the PF47 looked like the example shown in the link above), I think this PF52 had a different daddy...
Rando

 

[T-Keith]

Only one way to tell.

Cut it apart.


-T