Just read an scientific read on oil additives and it will burst ur oil additive bubble. Bottom line, don't waste ur money on oil additives. You can find them on the webb,just type in oil additives and a bunch will come up. Slick 50 was noted as one of the biggest scams. Our mmo , said it cleaned to much and interfered with the lubrication of the oil in ur engine. Well thats what I read. I don't think it will make any difference here, we are all searching for the elixir of engine life extenders, lol. Just change ur oil as requested in ur owners manual and we cant go wrong as a rule. Yep I know, oci's of 10k are being used by synthetic users and it works. U be the judge. I just use additives for gas now.
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Not knocking you, it makes sense. But curious where you read it, do you got a link? Cause yea, I've heard similar.
I mean, there's lots of MMO/Seafoam praise here.....though I can't see adding "any" additive to a "higher end" oil (say, Mobil 1, Pennzoil, etc, basically anything synthetic).
I mean, there's lots of MMO/Seafoam praise here.....though I can't see adding "any" additive to a "higher end" oil (say, Mobil 1, Pennzoil, etc, basically anything synthetic).
Most people here already think this way. MMO in the oil is rarely recommended. Usually only when severe cleaning is needed and most say just add 4 oz's at the end of an oil change and run it for 500 miles at most then change. So they are really using it for what it does well, cleaning, not protecting. I use MMO in the gas sometimes though, mostly b/c I have been breaking in an aftermarket HPFP.
How about X-1R Lubricant? Coz until I'am still doing some reasearch about it. I heard it got popular in Asia. From what I have read in here, the stuff does work the downfall is that it would cause corrosion.
The BEST performance additive for a synthetic oil is Mobil 1 Racing 4T. almost 2000 PPM phos and 100% real synthetic. Nothing - and I mean NOTHING - comes close to what this stuff can do - and it works well with the last formulation of Valvoline Synpower. Not a "cleanser" but an all round performance improver.
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How about X-1R Lubricant? Coz until I'am still doing some reasearch about it. I heard it got popular in Asia. From what I have read in here, the stuff does work the downfall is that it would cause corrosion.
That's a pretty significant side effect.
How about X-1R Lubricant? Coz until I'am still doing some reasearch about it. I heard it got popular in Asia. From what I have read in here, the stuff does work the downfall is that it would cause corrosion.
That's a pretty significant side effect.
Originally Posted By: shpankey
Most people here already think this way. MMO in the oil is rarely recommended. Usually only when severe cleaning is needed and most say just add 4 oz's at the end of an oil change and run it for 500 miles at most then change. So they are really using it for what it does well, cleaning, not protecting. I use MMO in the gas sometimes though, mostly b/c I have been breaking in an aftermarket HPFP.
I've not heard a recommendation that low. I've always heard at least 16oz to 1 quart or 20-25% of the capacity.
Most people here already think this way. MMO in the oil is rarely recommended. Usually only when severe cleaning is needed and most say just add 4 oz's at the end of an oil change and run it for 500 miles at most then change. So they are really using it for what it does well, cleaning, not protecting. I use MMO in the gas sometimes though, mostly b/c I have been breaking in an aftermarket HPFP.
I've not heard a recommendation that low. I've always heard at least 16oz to 1 quart or 20-25% of the capacity.
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Originally Posted By: shpankey
Most people here already think this way. MMO in the oil is rarely recommended. Usually only when severe cleaning is needed and most say just add 4 oz's at the end of an oil change and run it for 500 miles at most then change. So they are really using it for what it does well, cleaning, not protecting. I use MMO in the gas sometimes though, mostly b/c I have been breaking in an aftermarket HPFP.
I've not heard a recommendation that low. I've always heard at least 16oz to 1 quart or 20-25% of the capacity.
+1. No oil company wants additives added to their oils. Not to start a flame war, but the oil companies feel their oils need nothing. They are already formulated to perfection, at least in their eyes. Besides they'd sell less oil. OTOH the additive companies feel the oils become better with the addition of their additive. Depends on who you believe. Truth is there are some additives that are quite good, and there are a lot of additives that are garbage.
Originally Posted By: shpankey
Most people here already think this way. MMO in the oil is rarely recommended. Usually only when severe cleaning is needed and most say just add 4 oz's at the end of an oil change and run it for 500 miles at most then change. So they are really using it for what it does well, cleaning, not protecting. I use MMO in the gas sometimes though, mostly b/c I have been breaking in an aftermarket HPFP.
I've not heard a recommendation that low. I've always heard at least 16oz to 1 quart or 20-25% of the capacity.
+1. No oil company wants additives added to their oils. Not to start a flame war, but the oil companies feel their oils need nothing. They are already formulated to perfection, at least in their eyes. Besides they'd sell less oil. OTOH the additive companies feel the oils become better with the addition of their additive. Depends on who you believe. Truth is there are some additives that are quite good, and there are a lot of additives that are garbage.
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Over the normal life cycle of a well designed engine (that is properly cared for), no additive is necessary. Most people don't keep a car long enough. That's why the rhetorical stance is always worded like that. "Normally speaking" covers a broad scope.
Stuff doesn't always work out that way and some service profiles can't be adequately handled by any sensible maintenance convention without issues. Some people, who are not in the majority, do keep a car beyond the normal ownership cycle.
I don't think that any additive will make your engine a "super engine". I don't think any additive will produce avoided costs that will pay for itself in terms of wear over formulated motor oils. That is, your engine is not going to wear out and the difference in utility won't pay for the additives prolonged/protracted use. Now a racer, with some unholy refresh rate, might see some longer service life out of an engine, but there the economics are a bit different.
There are some additives that can restore utility where it has been reduced due to neglect or unusual conditions.
Most of the additives that are of marginal (or no) benefit are those who allege to repair damage.
Additives that have some value, but are concessions, are stop leaks and whatnot where the repair trumps the value of the vehicle in advancing multiple costly complications. They still have value to the person who views a vehicle as a mule and nothing more. Nothing wrong with that.
Stuff doesn't always work out that way and some service profiles can't be adequately handled by any sensible maintenance convention without issues. Some people, who are not in the majority, do keep a car beyond the normal ownership cycle.
I don't think that any additive will make your engine a "super engine". I don't think any additive will produce avoided costs that will pay for itself in terms of wear over formulated motor oils. That is, your engine is not going to wear out and the difference in utility won't pay for the additives prolonged/protracted use. Now a racer, with some unholy refresh rate, might see some longer service life out of an engine, but there the economics are a bit different.
There are some additives that can restore utility where it has been reduced due to neglect or unusual conditions.
Most of the additives that are of marginal (or no) benefit are those who allege to repair damage.
Additives that have some value, but are concessions, are stop leaks and whatnot where the repair trumps the value of the vehicle in advancing multiple costly complications. They still have value to the person who views a vehicle as a mule and nothing more. Nothing wrong with that.
Oil additives have their place, if you buy a used car with questionable maintenance history, or visible sludge, then additives that will clean up this sludge make sense. You may have a perfectly maintained car that suffers a head gasket failure and your oil turns to gello, some additives may help with a cleanup as well. It's not as cut and dry as oil companies make it out to be.
I usually use a pint(16oz)of MMO for the last 1K miles of an OCI. My use is in cars that have higher miles and when I do not know the full history of the car. I think doing this for 2 OCI's cleans it up nicely for me to then switch to a decent syn oil to keep it clean.
In the gas tank, I would only use it once every 3K miles. I think using it every fill up is a waste.
Again, I would not use it all the time but only for a maintenance dose.
In the gas tank, I would only use it once every 3K miles. I think using it every fill up is a waste.
Again, I would not use it all the time but only for a maintenance dose.
In this perfect oil world lifers wouldn't stick,rings wouldn't get coked,sludge wouldn't form and seals would stay dry.
And if it did the next oil change should clean it all up,but it doesn't.
I agree 99% of all these additives are money thrown out of the window.But when any of the above conditions exist then you can either live with it or try to correct it with some sort of chemical/addative be them alone or already in the oil in the case of High Mileage oils.
And if it did the next oil change should clean it all up,but it doesn't.
I agree 99% of all these additives are money thrown out of the window.But when any of the above conditions exist then you can either live with it or try to correct it with some sort of chemical/addative be them alone or already in the oil in the case of High Mileage oils.
I'll just say that I've used MMO in the crankcase in every vehicle I've owned except when using synthetic oils.
I still use MMO in my truck every OCI. I don't use the recommended amount of 1 quart or 20-25%, usually 16oz is all I do on a "normal" basis. I have used more or less, depending on circumstance.
I don't see the harm. Maybe the low amounts don't do as much cleaning to harm anything, but all I look for is preventative maintenance.
I guess using it for the past 17 years, I'm a little biased.
I still use MMO in my truck every OCI. I don't use the recommended amount of 1 quart or 20-25%, usually 16oz is all I do on a "normal" basis. I have used more or less, depending on circumstance.
I don't see the harm. Maybe the low amounts don't do as much cleaning to harm anything, but all I look for is preventative maintenance.
I guess using it for the past 17 years, I'm a little biased.
If additives are bad, why do all oils have them?
And why did they minimize some of them only because of Gov't legislation?
If we fortify an oil with the same adds that are/were in there, why is this bad ? Why is this a waste?
It could very likely be the salvation of a high performance engine.
And why did they minimize some of them only because of Gov't legislation?
If we fortify an oil with the same adds that are/were in there, why is this bad ? Why is this a waste?
It could very likely be the salvation of a high performance engine.
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If additives are bad, why do all oils have them?
And why did they minimize some of them only because of Gov't legislation?
If we fortify an oil with the same adds that are/were in there, why is this bad ? Why is this a waste?
It could very likely be the salvation of a high performance engine.
+1.
I believe that certain oil companies are swinging away from certain additives, eg: moly because of cost. While there are alternatives, are they really better, or is it cost? My guess is cost, it happens in all industries, not just automotive. I'm sure the oil companies want us to believe the substitute is better, but is it really better? The swing away from ZDDP because of cat converters is just another example. ZDDP might not have been cost related but older HP engines suffered as a result. As I've said before certain additives do have some value. JMO
If additives are bad, why do all oils have them?
And why did they minimize some of them only because of Gov't legislation?
If we fortify an oil with the same adds that are/were in there, why is this bad ? Why is this a waste?
It could very likely be the salvation of a high performance engine.
+1.
I believe that certain oil companies are swinging away from certain additives, eg: moly because of cost. While there are alternatives, are they really better, or is it cost? My guess is cost, it happens in all industries, not just automotive. I'm sure the oil companies want us to believe the substitute is better, but is it really better? The swing away from ZDDP because of cat converters is just another example. ZDDP might not have been cost related but older HP engines suffered as a result. As I've said before certain additives do have some value. JMO
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I am about ready to completely give up on any oil supplements at all and just use synthetic oil. I am giving Pennzoil Ultra a try right now and I may also try Mobil 1 High Mileage and Valvoline synthetic. I am about decided that a modern engine needs synthetic oil and not conventional motor oil. A conventional oil is better for an older car or truck that you are trying to drive a little more.
I don't think people necessarily need top end oils like Amsoil or Redline although it depends on what kind of vehicle they have and how many miles a year they drive. The synthetic oils I mentioned are probably good enough with reasonable OCIs.
I don't think people necessarily need top end oils like Amsoil or Redline although it depends on what kind of vehicle they have and how many miles a year they drive. The synthetic oils I mentioned are probably good enough with reasonable OCIs.
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