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Oil additives, Which ones contain what?
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Isnt all tha moly in valvoline oil treamtent, bad for your engine? I had read somewhere, that any molly over 700 is BAD for your engine. It looks like it has between 2,300 and 3,400!!!!
How about taht valvoline oil treatment, that comes in quart size? Any good?
How about taht valvoline oil treatment, that comes in quart size? Any good?
check the new thread: "compiled Additive Components Analyses". I am using green as some people objected to my using red
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I am curious about what each oil additive contains. If, for instance, I wanted to add more ZDDP to my oil, which one has the highest concentration? How about Moly? Boron?
I did not find a list of what each additve contains.
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Chris
The latest virgin analysis has shown a drastic change in the additives look it up before deciding on the VSOT.
how about the regular valvoline synpower motor oil used alone or combines with MMO?
There is a different Valvoine Synpower Oil Additive. Comes in a quart bottle and sells for about $13 at NAPA. I am dying to find out what is in it, but am out of UOA kits and don't feel like paying that much for a quart when same price can get me 2 or 3 bottles synthetic oil (a whole crankcase full of syn oil if I go on the PP deal).
very true. Would you say that Pennzoil in general has been getting better over the past few years? I know in the past, engines in the vehs that i use to own, would usually use more oil with Pennzoil.
According to the VOAs that some people at this website have done on various oil supplements some of these products are basically nothing but mineral oil with small amounts of chemical additive. Others contain stuff like PTFE or clorinated paraffins that are useless, may cause damage in an engine, and could be dangerous for a human being.
I believed in Valvoline Synthetic Engine Treatment for a while but now widely varying VOAs are being found for this product.
I think a person is better off using a good quality conventional or synthetic motor oil. The only oil supplement that has proved to be useful is Auto-RX which does a good job of cleaning an engine and keeping it clean.
I have given up trying to find some sort of magic oil supplement. The only product I have ever found that actually seems to work is Auto-RX.
I own a Glock Model 22 gun and I have found that regular Hoppes gun oil seems to work better than synthetic gun oil for protecting the gun. I will not use the synthetic now except in very cold weather.
Probably 99% of these oil supplement products could be thrown in the trash.
I believed in Valvoline Synthetic Engine Treatment for a while but now widely varying VOAs are being found for this product.
I think a person is better off using a good quality conventional or synthetic motor oil. The only oil supplement that has proved to be useful is Auto-RX which does a good job of cleaning an engine and keeping it clean.
I have given up trying to find some sort of magic oil supplement. The only product I have ever found that actually seems to work is Auto-RX.
I own a Glock Model 22 gun and I have found that regular Hoppes gun oil seems to work better than synthetic gun oil for protecting the gun. I will not use the synthetic now except in very cold weather.
Probably 99% of these oil supplement products could be thrown in the trash.
Mystic Thank You. If you have not read posts on Topic posted by Gary Allan think it says something he picked up from Auto-Rx forum please do so.Says more about Auto-Rx new application results than i would have released.
Please define "better protected" and what synthetic gun oil were you using?Quote:
I have found that regular Hoppes gun oil seems to work better than synthetic gun oil
I tried synthetic Hoppes Elite but after I used it for a while there seemed to be more wear developing in the hood area of the gun compared to the Hoppes regular gun oil. I guess the Hoppes regular gun oil is thicker and may stay put better.
I have a gun maintenance video that was made by Bill Wilson. Perhaps you have heard of him. He actually recommends grease for lubricating SIG handguns except in cold weather (his own grease) and he shows some testing that was done in the video. In the testing a regular gun oil actually outperformed a synthetic gun oil.
I have a gun maintenance video that was made by Bill Wilson. Perhaps you have heard of him. He actually recommends grease for lubricating SIG handguns except in cold weather (his own grease) and he shows some testing that was done in the video. In the testing a regular gun oil actually outperformed a synthetic gun oil.
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He actually recommends grease for lubricating SIG handguns except in cold weather (his own grease)
Big surprise. People recommend lubing Sigs with grease because they have aluminum frames. This is completely relying on viscosity and discounting oils with proper FM/AW/EP chemistry.
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In the testing a regular gun oil actually outperformed a synthetic gun oil.
Which were they, and what test?
The testing was using a Falex machine which of course has already been shown to be fairly inaccurate for testing motor oils for cars. How good the testing was for gun oils and gun greases I cannot say.
He tested a conventional gun oil which did not do too bad in the testing. I think the oil was Outer's but I would have to go through the entire video to find out for sure. He said something to the effect that the conventional gun oil tested was comparable to Hoppes. The synthetic oil tested was RemOil. I remember that. According to the testing it failed before the conventional oil.
I have no idea how accurate or inaccurate this testing is. But to me RemOil is rather thin. I like a thicker oil for most normal gun use, unless there is very extremely cold weather. It just seems to me that a thicker oil would stay put better and not flow out of the gun so easily.
How effective grease is for gun use is something I have never been able to determine. I used TW25B gun grease for a while on my SIG just as an experiment. It seemed like there was more wear rather than less so I went back to using oil.
My SIG seemed to work best with Hoppes Elite synthetic gun oil. But my Glock seems to work really well with good old Hoppes conventional gun oil.
Rather than use some expensive exotic gun oil I prefer to make sure that I lubricate the gun well and lubricate the gun before going to the range to shoot. There is an old saying never to leave a dirty gun lay overnight. That is one old saying that I personally believe in and I always clean my gun after shooting it. Hoppes No. 9 seems to work okay for that. I never use stuff like carb cleaner on a gun. Mainly because I care for myself. I want the gun to last as long as possible but rather than hurting myself I would prefer for the gun to wear out. I can always buy another gun. In the video Wilson said that he would use card cleaner on a very dirty gun and only outside. I knew a gunsmith that would use carb cleaner on guns.
I suppose if you came across an extremely dirty gun that you were trying to rescue you could use carb cleaner. But it certainly would not be a regular deal for me. Give me good old Hoppes No. 9, which is fairly safe.
I should mention that Glock uses some kind of copper based lubricant on their guns from the factory. I don't know if it would be a good idea or not to try to get some of that stuff. But in the field I have heard that Glock shooters use Breakfree. Personally I can't stand breakfree. The only time I ever had problems with a gun was when I used Breakfree.
He tested a conventional gun oil which did not do too bad in the testing. I think the oil was Outer's but I would have to go through the entire video to find out for sure. He said something to the effect that the conventional gun oil tested was comparable to Hoppes. The synthetic oil tested was RemOil. I remember that. According to the testing it failed before the conventional oil.
I have no idea how accurate or inaccurate this testing is. But to me RemOil is rather thin. I like a thicker oil for most normal gun use, unless there is very extremely cold weather. It just seems to me that a thicker oil would stay put better and not flow out of the gun so easily.
How effective grease is for gun use is something I have never been able to determine. I used TW25B gun grease for a while on my SIG just as an experiment. It seemed like there was more wear rather than less so I went back to using oil.
My SIG seemed to work best with Hoppes Elite synthetic gun oil. But my Glock seems to work really well with good old Hoppes conventional gun oil.
Rather than use some expensive exotic gun oil I prefer to make sure that I lubricate the gun well and lubricate the gun before going to the range to shoot. There is an old saying never to leave a dirty gun lay overnight. That is one old saying that I personally believe in and I always clean my gun after shooting it. Hoppes No. 9 seems to work okay for that. I never use stuff like carb cleaner on a gun. Mainly because I care for myself. I want the gun to last as long as possible but rather than hurting myself I would prefer for the gun to wear out. I can always buy another gun. In the video Wilson said that he would use card cleaner on a very dirty gun and only outside. I knew a gunsmith that would use carb cleaner on guns.
I suppose if you came across an extremely dirty gun that you were trying to rescue you could use carb cleaner. But it certainly would not be a regular deal for me. Give me good old Hoppes No. 9, which is fairly safe.
I should mention that Glock uses some kind of copper based lubricant on their guns from the factory. I don't know if it would be a good idea or not to try to get some of that stuff. But in the field I have heard that Glock shooters use Breakfree. Personally I can't stand breakfree. The only time I ever had problems with a gun was when I used Breakfree.
Hi Ken,
Competitors often generate misleading information about chlorinated parrafins. Most of the false claims have come from the supplier of "PTFE" or liquid "Teflon". If X-1R engine treatment was nothing but pure chlorinated paraffins, yes, the product by itself would cause corrosion, as your note mentioned.
What the propaganda people don't say:
1) X-1R is a complex product containing over 12 ingredients, two of which are chlorinated paraffins; however, X-1r contains a series of corrosion inhibitors and is suspended in a proprietary agent which totally neutralizes any potential corrosion action.
2) In fifteen years of selling and marketing X-1R, we have never, ever had a claim about corrosion or ever had a product liability claim. With millions of bottles sold since 1989, you will not find a single claim or complaint that X-1R damaged or caused engine problems or corrosion. Not ONE.
3) If you go the government site, FTC, Federal Trade Commission, you will see dollar fines, levied against the marketers of PTFE (Teflon)- Slick 50 owned by Shell/PennzOil & Quaker State; Z-Max, Duralube, Prolong, Motor UP and STP. Should it surprise anyone that marketers of snake oil disparage and misrepresent the only technology that can back up it's label claims with genuine test data and has received two awards from NASA?; NASA tested X-1R and found it so highly effective we were awarded the "Certified Space Technology award" and Space Foundation "Hall of Fame Award"; NASA is still a customer, we just shipped them a truckload of X-1R product, yesterday.
I hope this message clears up the negativity you have heard; feel free to quote me and cut and paste this message.
Regards,
Jeff Ketchledge
Executive V.P. Sales & Marketing
X-1R Corporation
375 Fentress Blvd.
Daytona Beach, FL 32114
Ph: 386-236-0276 (direct line)
Cell: 386-451-9824
Toll Free: 800-747-4917 x 313
Fax: 386-271-7001
See our website: /www.x1r.com/>
Another email responding to health/cancer risks
Wow! This is the wildest allegation I have ever seen;
There is absolutely ZERO carcinogens in the X-1R product. This guy's claim is baseless.
Thanks for forwarding the e-mail.
Regards,
Jeff
Competitors often generate misleading information about chlorinated parrafins. Most of the false claims have come from the supplier of "PTFE" or liquid "Teflon". If X-1R engine treatment was nothing but pure chlorinated paraffins, yes, the product by itself would cause corrosion, as your note mentioned.
What the propaganda people don't say:
1) X-1R is a complex product containing over 12 ingredients, two of which are chlorinated paraffins; however, X-1r contains a series of corrosion inhibitors and is suspended in a proprietary agent which totally neutralizes any potential corrosion action.
2) In fifteen years of selling and marketing X-1R, we have never, ever had a claim about corrosion or ever had a product liability claim. With millions of bottles sold since 1989, you will not find a single claim or complaint that X-1R damaged or caused engine problems or corrosion. Not ONE.
3) If you go the government site, FTC, Federal Trade Commission, you will see dollar fines, levied against the marketers of PTFE (Teflon)- Slick 50 owned by Shell/PennzOil & Quaker State; Z-Max, Duralube, Prolong, Motor UP and STP. Should it surprise anyone that marketers of snake oil disparage and misrepresent the only technology that can back up it's label claims with genuine test data and has received two awards from NASA?; NASA tested X-1R and found it so highly effective we were awarded the "Certified Space Technology award" and Space Foundation "Hall of Fame Award"; NASA is still a customer, we just shipped them a truckload of X-1R product, yesterday.
I hope this message clears up the negativity you have heard; feel free to quote me and cut and paste this message.
Regards,
Jeff Ketchledge
Executive V.P. Sales & Marketing
X-1R Corporation
375 Fentress Blvd.
Daytona Beach, FL 32114
Ph: 386-236-0276 (direct line)
Cell: 386-451-9824
Toll Free: 800-747-4917 x 313
Fax: 386-271-7001
See our website: /www.x1r.com/>
Another email responding to health/cancer risks
Wow! This is the wildest allegation I have ever seen;
There is absolutely ZERO carcinogens in the X-1R product. This guy's claim is baseless.
Thanks for forwarding the e-mail.
Regards,
Jeff
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Buck Parker (former CEO of X-1R got me Cancer Insurance ) before I was stricken. X-1R in the good times had Dr.Marra (Inventor) Les VP it was an experience because of Buck & Leonard my post stops here Ken. Thanks for posting.
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Please define "better protected" and what synthetic gun oil were you using?Quote:
I have found that regular Hoppes gun oil seems to work better than synthetic gun oil
Personally I like BreakFree CLP the best. I have also used hoppes and it works good
I have tried a synthetic brand called "Tetra" or something like that and it didn't work as claimed
I watched that gun video again. The lubricants tested were RemOil, WD-40, Outers gun oil, Breakfree, and Bill Wilson's own grease and gun oil.
The RemOil did not do very well. The WD-40 (which I personally would never use on a gun) actually did about as well as the RemOil. The Outers gun oil did better but there was still damage to the bearing. The Breakfree did about the same as the Outers, maybe a little better, but still failed the testing.
I decided to order some of the bore cleaner, gun grease and gun oil from Bill Wilson and see how it works on my gun. And I ordered a gun video for the Glock Model 22.
The RemOil did not do very well. The WD-40 (which I personally would never use on a gun) actually did about as well as the RemOil. The Outers gun oil did better but there was still damage to the bearing. The Breakfree did about the same as the Outers, maybe a little better, but still failed the testing.
I decided to order some of the bore cleaner, gun grease and gun oil from Bill Wilson and see how it works on my gun. And I ordered a gun video for the Glock Model 22.
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