oh well...

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The manufacturers actually believe 😀

So no concrete evidence provided by the manufacturers about real numbers; meanwhile, I’m sure the owners will be using and putting to the test the best auto warranty in North America!


 
Well, when half the companies don’t even have the parts they need to finish building the cars and trucks……
 
They know how to design cars for appearance to catch the eye , what possibly lies dormant beneath the surface is another story . :oops:
 
They know how to design cars for appearance to catch the eye , what possibly lays dormant beneath the surface is another story . :oops:
At a quick glance, they have this stylish look. But the longer you stare, the stranger they look.

Check out the "Carnival", aptly named.

And for a real riot, pull up some pics of 80's-90's Kiyundais when they were trying to make them look like tiny little Lexus and Jaguars.

This joke just gets bigger and bigger. 🦧
 
They know how to design cars for appearance to catch the eye , what possibly lies dormant beneath the surface is another story . :oops:
that's my problem with them too; they look great on the outside, especially from the point in time when they hired a couple of German car designers and they give them a pen and a piece of paper to do the drawings, so they had accelerated since then in the exterior department;

just for the sake of the discussion, the other day on the interstate here where I live, in the morning hours I stumble upon the latest Sonata N model, in white color and with LED lights on, it was straight Mercedes or BMW to look at it in many ways

but, boy oh boy, their main underpinnings on those same cars are still the bottom of the barrel!
 
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To put it mildly, they are a mess!

[videos describing key problems omitted]
I was stunned to find out that even in 2021 the Kia/Hyundai keys did not include an immobilizer. My 11-year-old Camry has one. I can't even start the car with its own, non-chipped key.
 
I was stunned to find out that even in 2021 the Kia/Hyundai keys did not include an immobilizer. My 11-year-old Camry has one. I can't even start the car with its own, non-chipped key.
they said, they tried to hack a Toyota too but only to their disappointment
 
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