not eating slows down your metabolism, and when you do eat, it stores it all as fat very quickly. The smart thing to do is diet and excercise, not making dumbass comments like "ever try to not eat?"
Now this is scary--Food is an addiction
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I'm not sure if needtoknow was trying be snotty with that or not, but will give him the benefit of the doubt.
I'm not obese or couchridden, just carrying maybe 20 more pounds than I really should be. My wife and I work 50-60 hours a week and have a 2 year old beating us down when we get home. Just bought a house and doing all the work that goes along with that. With juggling work, daycare and life we don't have much fun. Sad to say a good meal or snack is a real high point - and I do believe that it has the same impacts as drugs...gets itself hard-wired into your brain's reward system and you get some bad habits that are tough to break. Look at all the thin people who smoke...when they quit a lot of them pack on some pounds. Eating to get the same feeling they used to get.
When I was about 17 I went on a kick where I didn't eat much. Couldn't have been more than 1800 calories on a good day (not counting beer on weekends). Ran every day, worked 30 hours a week in addition to school. Was 5'10" & 135 pounds. Could slip off a pair of size 30 Levis 501s without bothering to unbutton 'em.
I'm not obese or couchridden, just carrying maybe 20 more pounds than I really should be. My wife and I work 50-60 hours a week and have a 2 year old beating us down when we get home. Just bought a house and doing all the work that goes along with that. With juggling work, daycare and life we don't have much fun. Sad to say a good meal or snack is a real high point - and I do believe that it has the same impacts as drugs...gets itself hard-wired into your brain's reward system and you get some bad habits that are tough to break. Look at all the thin people who smoke...when they quit a lot of them pack on some pounds. Eating to get the same feeling they used to get.
When I was about 17 I went on a kick where I didn't eat much. Couldn't have been more than 1800 calories on a good day (not counting beer on weekends). Ran every day, worked 30 hours a week in addition to school. Was 5'10" & 135 pounds. Could slip off a pair of size 30 Levis 501s without bothering to unbutton 'em.
Food is instant gratification. You can understand why dogs will perk up instantly if the possibility of a treat arises. Many people can have their mouth water at the thought.
Right, Homer Simpson?
Right, Homer Simpson?
The logic of the article isn't so wrong as is what the (anticipated) reponse will be....
Government funding for NOT eating Twinkies, Little Debs, Triple Whopper w/cheeze and Krispy Cremes works for me.
I ate two waffles yesterday and got the ****z, real bad. Lucky me, my body has all but rejected white flour.
Government funding for NOT eating Twinkies, Little Debs, Triple Whopper w/cheeze and Krispy Cremes works for me.
Evidently I can eat anything I want. Onyl the gren tea makes me dizzy, and Fritos make me the wnat to vomit. Once in a whiel KFC will also make me nauseous.
I read the book about how your blood type affects what you eat, but it didn't really seem to make concrete sense to me.
I also read in the gospel of Thomas, Jesus was reputed to have said that what goes into you mouth will not defile you, but what comes out of it may.
Seems to me the problem with fat-azzed Americans, Canadians, etc. isn't so much what we eat, but the fact that we eat way too much of it, and don't exercise nearly enough.
I read the book about how your blood type affects what you eat, but it didn't really seem to make concrete sense to me.
I also read in the gospel of Thomas, Jesus was reputed to have said that what goes into you mouth will not defile you, but what comes out of it may.
Seems to me the problem with fat-azzed Americans, Canadians, etc. isn't so much what we eat, but the fact that we eat way too much of it, and don't exercise nearly enough.
No I wasn't being snotty, or snooty whichever you meant, just cute? I need to understand how to use those smiley face things more.
Diet is conditioning and a lot of it takes place when we're growing up. So who contributes to poor eating habits but wants to contribute nothing to the bad effects caused by eating poor food or too much food, the food industry. Much of who they market to are children, engrain those bad habits early. So since many here want personal responsibilty would that include some for the food industry marketing to children? Here's where a tax comes in handy, tax those foods that are unhealthy and put that money away for the medical bills the rest of us are going to have to pay for uninsured people with health problems from food.
Diet is conditioning and a lot of it takes place when we're growing up. So who contributes to poor eating habits but wants to contribute nothing to the bad effects caused by eating poor food or too much food, the food industry. Much of who they market to are children, engrain those bad habits early. So since many here want personal responsibilty would that include some for the food industry marketing to children? Here's where a tax comes in handy, tax those foods that are unhealthy and put that money away for the medical bills the rest of us are going to have to pay for uninsured people with health problems from food.
you are what you eat..I just got done taking a nutrition class this summer. experts say to eat fruits, vegs, grains, milk group, lean meats. limit excessive fats, concentrated sweets like soda. exercise 3 times a week..the older you get..the less your supposed to eat..
I guess being on the computer, watching tv, going to the movies is counterproductive.. the older we get..the less active we are too..
I guess being on the computer, watching tv, going to the movies is counterproductive.. the older we get..the less active we are too..
"Much of who they market to are children, engrain those bad habits early. So since many here want personal responsibilty would that include some for the food industry marketing to children? Here's where a tax comes in handy, tax those foods that are unhealthy and put that money away for the medical bills the rest of us are going to have to pay for uninsured people with health problems from food. "
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No just make it illegal and create a black market for food like there is for drugs.
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No just make it illegal and create a black market for food like there is for drugs.
Didn't we just go through this with tobacco?
Let's see, our gov't raised the taxes on tobacco numerous times over the years and called it a "sin" tax. Didn't save one penny to pay for medical bills or for treatment to help people quit. When that wasn't enough, the lawyers then got involved. Lawyers sued for billions, took most of that money and lined their pockets and again nothing was set aside to pay for medical bills or for treatment to help people quit.
Please let's not go through that again, as food will have to get VERY, VERY expensive before I decide to quit it too.
I agree that a simple tax as we now know them would not solve the problem. I have said that I am in favor of dedicated taxes which would keep politicians from moving them around for political gain. But a tax in these cases says there is a social cost to a certain action. It confronts the buyer with a choice and it puts the social cost right where it should be, on the user. To say eat, we'll pay for the sin later, does not benefit anyone except the original seller who walks away richer while the costs are taken from someone elses pockets. Think if the local drug dealer had to collect a drug tax, would that help pay for police, treatment, incarceration.
NTK, your idea makes sense. But on this planet, the government does not and never will operate that way. Not really sarcastic, but you realize how it works.
BTW, I'm all for that drug collection tax. I feel attacking the war on drugs from the demand side works better than from the supply side.
BTW, I'm all for that drug collection tax. I feel attacking the war on drugs from the demand side works better than from the supply side.
The Washington Times
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Chronic overeating called an addiction
By Joyce Howard Price
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published August 15, 2004
Just as federal health officials defined obesity as an illness, researchers at the University of Florida say mounting evidence suggests chronic overeating may be a substance abuse disorder and should be considered an addiction.
"What's the difference between someone who's lost control over alcohol and someone who's lost control over good food? When you look at their brains and brain responses, the differences are not very significant," said Dr. Mark Gold, chief of addiction medicine at UF's College of Medicine.
Dr. Gold, also a professor of psychiatry at the school's McKnight Brain Institute, was co-author of three studies published in a recent issue of the Journal of Addictive Diseases that linked overeating, obesity and addiction.
Publication of the studies came as Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy G. Thompson announced that obesity, the second most common cause of death in the country, qualifies as an illness that's covered by Medicare, the federal health insurance program for the elderly and disabled.
"We've taken the position that overeating is, in part, due to food becoming more refined, more palatable, more hedonic. Food might be the substance in a substance abuse disorder that we see today as obesity," Dr. Gold said.
Sixty-four percent of the U.S. population is overweight or obese, according to the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Obesity increases the risk of heart disease, stroke, diabetes, hypertension and sleep apnea, and it contributes to 400,000 deaths annually, the Atlanta agency reports.
Dr. Gold was an early proponent of the "food-as-drug" model. The medical community considered the idea radical a decade ago, he said, but many addiction specialists give it serious consideration today.
He said the change in thinking occurred as a result of advances in imaging technology, neurochemistry and other fields that have enabled researchers to map rodents' brain pathways and show how food and drugs evoke similar responses.
At the same time, he and other clinical researchers have been investigating the relationship between food-seeking and drug-seeking behaviors in humans.
According to one of the reports, treatment for drug or alcohol addiction may be more successful if it includes a plan for a healthy diet and physical exercise. Those mechanisms are the two most effective for weight loss.
A review of 75 teenagers undergoing long-term residential drug treatment showed that they gained an average of 11 pounds during the first 60 days. Researchers think the teens were eating more to compensate for the loss of brain stimulation when their drug use ended. The patients were monitored with urine tests to ensure that they remained drug-free during treatment.
"The finding has the implication that ... if the drugs are there, eating goes away; if drugs are gone, eating increases," Dr. Gold said.
More supportive data for that hypothesis came from another UF study in the journal that examined obesity and self-reported alcohol use in female patients undergoing weight-loss therapy. Dr. William Jacobs, another UF addiction specialist, reviewed the files of 300 women, ages 16 to 79.
That study found that the more obese the patient, the less likely she was to drink alcohol.
Dr. Jacobs said: "The impression that a lot of folks have, including health-care providers, is that obese patients sit around and drink; that's part of the reason they are obese. And this [study] has shown exactly the opposite. Eating is probably competing and substituting for alcohol in the reward pathways in these patients."
He added that further research could help scientists find out which patients would benefit from being treated as food addicts. He noted that some people overeat because they suffer from underlying conditions such as depression and diabetes, and successful treatment of the underlying cause may reduce their food intake.
www.washingtontimes.com
Chronic overeating called an addiction
By Joyce Howard Price
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published August 15, 2004
Just as federal health officials defined obesity as an illness, researchers at the University of Florida say mounting evidence suggests chronic overeating may be a substance abuse disorder and should be considered an addiction.
"What's the difference between someone who's lost control over alcohol and someone who's lost control over good food? When you look at their brains and brain responses, the differences are not very significant," said Dr. Mark Gold, chief of addiction medicine at UF's College of Medicine.
Dr. Gold, also a professor of psychiatry at the school's McKnight Brain Institute, was co-author of three studies published in a recent issue of the Journal of Addictive Diseases that linked overeating, obesity and addiction.
Publication of the studies came as Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy G. Thompson announced that obesity, the second most common cause of death in the country, qualifies as an illness that's covered by Medicare, the federal health insurance program for the elderly and disabled.
"We've taken the position that overeating is, in part, due to food becoming more refined, more palatable, more hedonic. Food might be the substance in a substance abuse disorder that we see today as obesity," Dr. Gold said.
Sixty-four percent of the U.S. population is overweight or obese, according to the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Obesity increases the risk of heart disease, stroke, diabetes, hypertension and sleep apnea, and it contributes to 400,000 deaths annually, the Atlanta agency reports.
Dr. Gold was an early proponent of the "food-as-drug" model. The medical community considered the idea radical a decade ago, he said, but many addiction specialists give it serious consideration today.
He said the change in thinking occurred as a result of advances in imaging technology, neurochemistry and other fields that have enabled researchers to map rodents' brain pathways and show how food and drugs evoke similar responses.
At the same time, he and other clinical researchers have been investigating the relationship between food-seeking and drug-seeking behaviors in humans.
According to one of the reports, treatment for drug or alcohol addiction may be more successful if it includes a plan for a healthy diet and physical exercise. Those mechanisms are the two most effective for weight loss.
A review of 75 teenagers undergoing long-term residential drug treatment showed that they gained an average of 11 pounds during the first 60 days. Researchers think the teens were eating more to compensate for the loss of brain stimulation when their drug use ended. The patients were monitored with urine tests to ensure that they remained drug-free during treatment.
"The finding has the implication that ... if the drugs are there, eating goes away; if drugs are gone, eating increases," Dr. Gold said.
More supportive data for that hypothesis came from another UF study in the journal that examined obesity and self-reported alcohol use in female patients undergoing weight-loss therapy. Dr. William Jacobs, another UF addiction specialist, reviewed the files of 300 women, ages 16 to 79.
That study found that the more obese the patient, the less likely she was to drink alcohol.
Dr. Jacobs said: "The impression that a lot of folks have, including health-care providers, is that obese patients sit around and drink; that's part of the reason they are obese. And this [study] has shown exactly the opposite. Eating is probably competing and substituting for alcohol in the reward pathways in these patients."
He added that further research could help scientists find out which patients would benefit from being treated as food addicts. He noted that some people overeat because they suffer from underlying conditions such as depression and diabetes, and successful treatment of the underlying cause may reduce their food intake.
Makes perfect sense to me...and the toughest part is that, unlike alcohol or drugs, you HAVE to eat something. Not like you can go 'cold turkey'.
I quit drinking alcohol almost 6 months ago...mostly because it makes me into an idiot but also partly to help pursue a 'healthier' lifestyle. Well, PS the couple hundred calories I liberated from that every day have been reassigned to my plate.
Need to get addicted to excercise (again)...
I quit drinking alcohol almost 6 months ago...mostly because it makes me into an idiot but also partly to help pursue a 'healthier' lifestyle. Well, PS the couple hundred calories I liberated from that every day have been reassigned to my plate.
Need to get addicted to excercise (again)...
Ever tried to not eat?
Groucho, I don't like to see the term, "never" when it comes to government, it's defeatist. I have written politicians with the idea. Would you think if thousands wrote it would make a difference? We all know over 50% of voters don't vote, what if as protest they always vote against the incumbent, do you think politicians would start asking more questions? There's always a reason to vote.
I heard a thing on NPR this AM about how the poorer a neighborhood is, the higher the obesity rate (cheap fast food/junk food vice lean meat, veg etc.).
I'd have to say I agree. We ate super healthy for about 4 months and the food bills were significantly higher. The world is pretty screwed up when an apple costs more than a twinkie
I'd have to say I agree. We ate super healthy for about 4 months and the food bills were significantly higher. The world is pretty screwed up when an apple costs more than a twinkie
NTK, I don't like never either. For the purposes of a pratical discussion that deals within the parameters of how government actually works, the term is necessary.
If you look at something like the NYS lottery, it claims that it funds education. False claim. It puts money into each county's general fund and the counties spend it as they choose. Some smaller counties get many more dollars per child than others, including NYC.
I have brought this to many people's attention, including local newspapers and got a polite "thanks".
I generally vote against many local incumbents, except for onr Democrat Town Supervisor. The guy's out to do a job for the taxpayer, provides no BS, and works hard. I can't believe he hasn't won higher office, but then again, he doesn't perform like a politician, he's more like a public servant.
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If you look at something like the NYS lottery, it claims that it funds education. False claim. It puts money into each county's general fund and the counties spend it as they choose. Some smaller counties get many more dollars per child than others, including NYC.
I have brought this to many people's attention, including local newspapers and got a polite "thanks".
I generally vote against many local incumbents, except for onr Democrat Town Supervisor. The guy's out to do a job for the taxpayer, provides no BS, and works hard. I can't believe he hasn't won higher office, but then again, he doesn't perform like a politician, he's more like a public servant.
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Well, pal,
to the club of "lazy sacks of crap" that we seem to be pigeonholed into by our lean jean comembers.
My "gain" was more evolutionary than yours ..but I'm still there.
Again, obesity is there ...either do something about it on don't ..but don't sit there from the cheap seats like some shirtless spectator in the 30th row heckling the team on the field.
(Salute to real men of genius - Here's to you Mr. Pick on a lazy sack of crap to make yourself feel better"
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Well, pal,
My "gain" was more evolutionary than yours ..but I'm still there.
Again, obesity is there ...either do something about it on don't ..but don't sit there from the cheap seats like some shirtless spectator in the 30th row heckling the team on the field.
(Salute to real men of genius - Here's to you Mr. Pick on a lazy sack of crap to make yourself feel better"
Fellas, i don't know if any of my posts were offensive as they surely were not meant to be.
My nickname was fat boy in the 5th grade. I never let it bother me as I knew it would bring on more abuse. I'm 5'11" now and about 160 lbs. I still feel the fat boy inside, but weight is currently not an issue.
Physical fitness? Now that's another story.
My nickname was fat boy in the 5th grade. I never let it bother me as I knew it would bring on more abuse. I'm 5'11" now and about 160 lbs. I still feel the fat boy inside, but weight is currently not an issue.
Physical fitness? Now that's another story.
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