it doesn't matter where electricity is sourcing from. unless their government takes advantage of it and raise the price. norwegians are already complaining about electricity bills. if there is one source of power for your vehicle there is no competition. now you can choose between ,gas, petrol, diesel, ev. if its only ev then they can do what they want with prices. its like saying take it or leave it .
Norway: 80% new cars are electric
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Exactly. I say the same thing when people in this country start comparing our healthcare system to the socialized medicine of both Australia and Canada.
Australia population.................. 25.7 Million
Canada population.................... 38.2 Million
United States population........ 332 Million
This is yet another good point. It would be interesting to know the travel habits of most Norwegians. They're nothing like Americans. Norway is a very long and narrow country. And there isn't much of anything the further north you go. A bit like Alaska in that regard.
As such how many people travel from the Oslo area in the far south, to north of the Arctic Circle, on up to the northern cities? I'll bet it's a very slim percentage.
The bulk of the population of that entire nation resides right around the Oslo area. As such, most of the country has a population density of less than 5 to 10 people per square kilometer. That's pretty much the definition of barren.
So comparing Norway to the United States for EV use is a bit of an unrealistic stretch. They couldn't be more opposite than us. The fact is we LIKE to travel long distances in this country. And we like doing it in bigger vehicles. With many of them pulling boats and RV's.
And very few people in this country are actually interested in lowering their lifestyle to the point of riding around in some little battery powered roller skate, in order to appease some foolish, unproven, "green agenda". That in reality is not "green" at all.
I put all of these kind of silly comparisons into much the same category as the people out here living in these retirement communities, that are all riding around in cute little golf carts. It works in their tiny little enclave of like people, in nice warm, sunny weather 320 days a year.
But try it in New York City and see how wonderful it works out. Same deal here.
http://www.geo-ref.net/pdf/norway.pdf
An interest factoid is that Norway and Russia have one small section of common border, way up north.
I live in a major centre in British Columbia and a couple of years ago we had significant flooding in many areas of the province. They had a lot of trouble trucking gas in and the stations soon ran out. There wasn’t any to be had for a couple of days and it was challenging for a couple of weeks…..,huge lineups.
The folks who did well in this scenario were the electric car drivers, happily charging at home or at public chargers, whenever needed….using our ample hydroelectric energy.
As an ICE driver I found it stressful despite mostly working at home.
This specific scenario might not play out in other regions but as someone who has lived on the prairies and the west coast, in all weather conditions, I have found the grid to be extremely reliable throughout my lifetime.
I'm sure Canada and Russia too, but nothing worth worrying about in the article circle.
How many times we told you that you have to factor in your solar panel depreciation and opportunity cost instead of just the $9 connection fee to the grid?
Lucky Norway -we pay the same prices and get nothing.
And yeah - if a product doesn't fly on it's own, you have to make other products so expensive, that almost nobody can afford them anymore. They just hate a free market.
I agree and it is coming here soon too imo. Given a little time our current leadership team will see to it the cost of oil here is so high they'll force the masses into EVs, mass transit, and bicycles. All they have to do is hike the oil taxes more, and supply and demand will not determine prices, it will be the tax rate. That's what I see coming in the not so distant future if people don't wake up. Then they can use the oil tax to give EV rebates, put up solar farms and wind turbines. Or better still, take away the EV rebates. After all why bother if the high gas tax works out. That way they can stick it to everyone. LOL
I heard again yesterday the gas range is in the crosshairs. Look out oil and gas heat and hot water, electric is going to take you away. Flame suit on.
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Yes, and your not allowed to pee towards Russian border from Norway at the border between Norway and Russia. You will get a big fine
That's very correct
Finland is the one that has the big Russian border.
Canada, not nearly as close as the US. The Bering strait isn’t very big.
So your saying during a major flood situation you had electricity, and big trucks couldn't get gasoline to the stations for people to fill up their cars. But thru the miracle of science and technology, your electric cars were able to get around thru the same flooded streets? How did both of those electric cars do it ?.,,,
Please explain this comment.
I am probably at or close to break even point. It is hard to calculate, because of increased energy costs and consumption but it is fair to say the break even point has been accelerated, right? We consume far more electricity due to AC use, work from home and EV charging.
Plus, I did the solar project before I bought the EV; charging only accelerates BEP and increases return. My bill has not changed even though my consumption has.
The panel production is warranted for 20 or 25 years. That does not mean they will stop working after that point.
Solar is an investment with an expected return. The project is a sunk cost; the return on investment starts with the 1st lowered payment. There is an opportunity cost to everything, including investments. I also got a new roof installation rolled into the project and benefited from the tax break.
Solar increases the value of our home, even though the market values zip code more than property.
All good points but still, you can only calculate the cost of EV with current market electricity price or depreciation of your solar panel subtract roofing cost. Since you talk about roofing, when you have to redo your roof next time do you have to remove the solar panel and replace it with new ones (because it won't cost much and new solar panels are likely more reliable or productive, or old one near end of life)? If so, then your "solar cost" is likely going to be the cost over the roof lifespan (i.e. 25 years). It doesn't mean it is a bad deal, just that it is not free or $9.
Thanks so much...
Of course roof repairs and/or replacment requires solar panel removal and reinstall. It is smart to have a new or newer roof before installation.
The cost to charge my EV is zero above the $9 (or less) cost to be connected to the grid. EV charging is added value; the goal is always to maximize asset utilization to increase ROI. I did not purchase the solar for EV charging; that was not a factor in the 2 year evaluation which led to the decision.
I am not sure why you are considering depreciation. When the panels are no longer producing, I have the choice to replace them or simply go back to PG&E. I will be long past break even point; the solar project will have more than paid for itself.
My decision to go solar was as a hedge against future electricity cost fluctuation. And I was not betting on PG&E lowering prices... An insurance policy, if you will. There is value in that. The decision turned out to be far better than I had hoped.
Yes, during the last ice age it was an easy walk.
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