New Supertech filter?
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I'd pay extra, if they WOULDN'T print the label in Spanish...
Of course, if your Wal Mart is as 3rd world as mine, you see why.
I wonder if it would make any big difference to my truck if I switched to a Valuecraft or Total Grip in the 3593A in place of the ST 3950? I am just sick of all the Spanish.
the only thing i've noticed is that the honda 3593a has the newer "2X" box but the older traditional filter in it...
Does anyone know the ST number that cross references with a PF47? Someone stole the book at the local Walmart.
ST 3387A If I needed a popular number like that, I would stick to AC. Can't find a PF 1177 or 2244G anywhere but the stealer.
Call 1-800-882-0890 and ask...
It's Champs tech hotline..
Thanks Filterguy
I just called them and they said PF47 = ST3387A
[ August 30, 2006, 08:37 AM: Message edited by: Clyde65 ]
[ August 30, 2006, 08:37 AM: Message edited by: Clyde65 ]
I just got through reading a long thread about a guy who lost an engine to an E-core. So I think I will pass on that Supertech.
http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=6;t=003729;p=1
http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=6;t=003729;p=1
Sorry to jump in here...quote:
Originally posted by Clyde65:
I just got through reading a long thread about a guy who lost an engine to an E-core. So I think I will pass on that Supertech.
http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=6;t=003729;p=1
But..
Did you read it?
If you did you'll see that his motor was not stock and he was not running the recommneded grade of motor oil.
Blame the filter...
When you start messing around from stock, don't be SURPRISED when things fail.
And don't blame the engine MFG, oil or filters.
Some quotes;
Not a fault of the filter.
I've run many ecores and cut open EVERY filter I've used in the past 30 years (Frams, Ecores, and pretty well every other brand) and never had one fail.
(Do a search on me in this section and you'll see many photos of those filters. Many of them Ecore. ).
How many people out there have modified motors?
Cut out the oil filter Bypass circut?
Ecores are excellent filters and protect as well as any other.
Sorry to be harsh, but before we bash or quote, know whats in the thread.
People come over here to BITOG to get facts IMO.
I'd like to see that they get them.
Take care, Bill
Sorry Bill, I got to the part about the blocked off bypass after my previous post.
You might ask yourself...what does GM know that you don't if they've approved the E-core design ( which they have).quote:
Originally posted by Clyde65:
I just got through reading a long thread about a guy who lost an engine to an E-core. So I think I will pass on that Supertech.
Do you think Generous Motors never tested the filter? You'd be wrong. Not only lab tests but field tests as well.
So why would GM have E-core in the AC Delco product line?
Is it because it is a bad filter design?
Is is because they expect a % of engines to blow up and they're alright with that?
You think GM wants something that will cause them grief through failure?
Or would logic tell you they've extensively tested the filter on their engines around the world in various climates and applications and they are satisfied with the results.
One more time, the plastic cage in the Ecores is the same as the ones in the well proven cartridge filter elements. Even the big dollar Europeans are using them as well as Purolator and WIX. You can bust on the thermally bonded non woven end caps if you want, but you are revealing you lack of knowledge and judgment to pick on the center tubes.
I can't imagine somebody changing a cartridge element and not noticing a collapsed center tube or the media pushed through one. Note, the elements don't have metal end caps either.
I can't imagine somebody changing a cartridge element and not noticing a collapsed center tube or the media pushed through one. Note, the elements don't have metal end caps either.
If you have room, the PF52/PH3980 is a bit bigger/longer.
If I didn't have so many filters stockpiled for the Neon, I'd go buy a SuperTech ST16 and AC-Delco PF13, both in e-Core, just to compare 'em.
How many filters stockpiled? 19!
(Glad you asked.
Anybody want to buy some cheap filters in PH-16/L14670/51085/PF13 size? Or in PH-3614/L10241/PF53/51038 size? Yeah, I know...
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How many filters stockpiled? 19!
I just got back from Walmart after looking over an ST3387A, and my first impression is how small it is. The PF47 is another 1/3 longer. The E-core inside looked cheesy. Please understand that I don't intend to bash this filter or offend anyone, I'm just giving you my honest unscensored first impressions. As always I could be wrong since I'm somewhat human.
Clyde..ALL E-cores are shorter than the previous metal endcap'd part number.
They took the metal endcaps out of the design for the element. When you do that you can shorten the overall lenght of the filter. And actually they increased dirt holding capacity at the same time.
How much media is "lost" being sunk down into the metal endcaps where the glue is to hold the element together?
That is why E-core style filters are shorter and out perform the "old" part numbers they replace.
They took the metal endcaps out of the design for the element. When you do that you can shorten the overall lenght of the filter. And actually they increased dirt holding capacity at the same time.
How much media is "lost" being sunk down into the metal endcaps where the glue is to hold the element together?
That is why E-core style filters are shorter and out perform the "old" part numbers they replace.
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