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Originally Posted By: jmsjags
Originally Posted By: Johnny
Well, if moly makes it the best for you than that's your oil. I personally like the high boron numbers in the PYB and QS.


how can u not say mobil's the best from looking at that chart? it wins in every category EXCEPT boron which i wish it had more of, but it does have a lot more calcium than anyone else


"A lot"? I find it unremarkable in difference.


I'm more surprised with the use of relatively (as least commonly considered so) expensive moly being used rather liberally in some of the least popular oils. Some are cheap compared to others.
 
Looks like Mobil Clean 5000 dropped the sodium and upped the calcium.

Less salt, more milk?
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I have to agree with The Critic on this one. Skeptic that I am, isn't what matters are the oil condition, wear analysis, and UOA AFTER the oil has run an OCI?

A wise man once told me that an oil with 10 TBN could be better that one with TBN 12. After 10,000 miles, the first one still had a TBN of 4 while the second was down to 2. Its not just the quantity, but also the quality of the adds and base.

So, can we really determine the performance quality of these oils based on these charts?

Weren't we all getting excited just a few weeks ago because Valvoline was the only 5w30 in a test that did NOT shear to a 20 weight?

The charts are handy and nice to look at, though. Thanks.
 
Looks like this proves that Exxon Superflo is basically the same as Mobil Drive Clean and Drive Clean 5000.
 
Originally Posted By: jmsjags
Originally Posted By: Johnny
Well, if moly makes it the best for you than that's your oil. I personally like the high boron numbers in the PYB and QS.


how can u not say mobil's the best from looking at that chart? it wins in every category EXCEPT boron which i wish it had more of, but it does have a lot more calcium than anyone else


Maybe Mobil should reduce their calcium and add more boron so it would clean better.
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You use Mobil and I will use Pennzoil and we can make both companies happy.
 
Originally Posted By: jmsjags
Originally Posted By: Johnny
Well, if moly makes it the best for you than that's your oil. I personally like the high boron numbers in the PYB and QS.


how can u not say mobil's the best from looking at that chart? it wins in every category EXCEPT boron which i wish it had more of, but it does have a lot more calcium than anyone else


The Mobil didn't win for moly either. Like others have said, it all depends on what you're looking for, and how the oil will be used. For example, for a 5k mile OCI, the TBN numbers there aren't even relevant: they're all plenty high to provide sufficient buffer. If you like moly, a few of those oils will stand out. If you like boron, a few different ones will stand out. The Mobil wasn't the highest in either, so it's certainly possible that it may not be the preferred product for some.
 
The oils add packages are balanced to get a certain job done [meet or exceed a certain rating].Probably to get the job done at the lowest price for the blender.
 
First, thanks for the post and information.

I can not tell from the picture and my laptop monitor... is the Mobil 5K the standard 5K or the Clean 5K? If it is the regular then one could assume the Clean 5K is better.

Also, based on the specs shown, especially the NOACK %, will these be able to make it to the SN / GF-5 spec requirements? Probably mistakenly so, but I am under the impression the gp I, II, and some IIIs will not be able to meet the SN / GF-5 requirements
 
Tom - when you announced this a couple months ago, I had my doubts. Looks like they are gonna stay and play. Excellent!

My comment? If your NOACK isn't below 10% don't EVEN think of bringing that weak game in my kitchen. That's just borderline pathetic. I like the additives on paper. All of them should do 3K OCI's easy. Maybe a blend would be nice. A couple jugs of your favorite color bottle mixed with your favorite synthetic oil...............naw.........
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From the Mobil website:

"Want a conventional oil that protects for today's longer oil change intervals? No problem. With Mobil Clean 5000, you’ll get 16 percent more cleaning agents than our conventional oil, Mobil Clean (available in installed facilities only). Extra cleaning power that helps your engine run cleaner than with other conventional oils — even with today’s longer oil change intervals. In fact, Mobil Clean 5000 is guaranteed to provide excellent performance and protection for all car engines for up to 5,000 miles of normal consumer driving."

So, my bad.... There is Mobil Clean and the Mobil Clean 5000. It is clearly Mobil Clean 5000 pictured in the link in Post 1.
 
May I ask what is the Noack of 5-20 XL I think it is listed as 10.7 at $ 6.80 vs half the price Mobil 12.8 do not bring that overpriced oil in my kitchen or garage thank you...
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I had stopped using MC 5000 because there were no places that had it in 5w30. All of a sudden it's everywhere. It better stay that way if I go to stay with Penn, QS, and Mobil.
 
My answer to Pablo who stated do not bring a oil with more than a 10 Noack rating. So I found a oil that was not less than 10.He did not say 5-30 or 5-20 just below 10. Wait till this lab tests Amsoil. That should be very interesting for sure....And those new oils from Honda and Toyota that should make for interesting read.
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