Originally Posted By: funflyer
Originally Posted By: Doog
Originally Posted By: billt460
Originally Posted By: Chris B.
Should have got it without a manual safety. Manual safety gets you killed under stress.
This I could not agree with more. It's one of the many reasons I own 6 Glock's. Simple is always better. Especially in high stress, dangerous situations. For all these people who tout how "dangerous" Glock's are because they don't have a bunch of extra safeties, I can point to far more cases where those safeties cost people their lives. Fumbling with a bunch of buttons and levers they wouldn't have had to if they weren't there. As I always say, show me a shooter that "needs" a safety, and I'll show you someone I don't want to be near when they're handling a weapon.
I disagree....I started out with a Browning HP 40 years ago...so all of my handguns have a manual safety because it is built in my muscle memory. I don't even think about clicking the safety off while drawing. So, I keep the same system as close as possible with all of my semi auto pistols. That said...my edc is a jframe anyway.
I agree with Doog. Safing and un-safing a weapon should be something you don't even remember doing, but it's done every time if you train for it. Now, as for a TS getting you killed under stress, I'll never believe that. It's a lack of situational awareness that will get you killed.
Most folks will not train to that level though. I'm a full time firearms instructor and see it everyday. People almost always [censored] up their manual safety. Rob Pincus is considered one of the best instructors in the world. He has had a offer for anyone to bring a 1911 to one of his 2 day CFS classes and if they can make it through the entire class with out the gun jamming or screwing up their safety he would reimburse class tuition and pay for all of the students ammo. This has been going on for years and to this day not a single person has been able to complete this challenge.
Also the safety on many small CCW guns like the Shield are extremely hard to disengage quickly. The safety is nothing more then a small tab that is nearly flush with the frame giving almost no purchase to flip on and off unlike a 1911 safety. They are a flat out retarded design that will get you killed.
For almost all people who carry a gun daily, a manual safety is a very, VERY bad idea!
Originally Posted By: Doog
Originally Posted By: billt460
Originally Posted By: Chris B.
Should have got it without a manual safety. Manual safety gets you killed under stress.
This I could not agree with more. It's one of the many reasons I own 6 Glock's. Simple is always better. Especially in high stress, dangerous situations. For all these people who tout how "dangerous" Glock's are because they don't have a bunch of extra safeties, I can point to far more cases where those safeties cost people their lives. Fumbling with a bunch of buttons and levers they wouldn't have had to if they weren't there. As I always say, show me a shooter that "needs" a safety, and I'll show you someone I don't want to be near when they're handling a weapon.
I disagree....I started out with a Browning HP 40 years ago...so all of my handguns have a manual safety because it is built in my muscle memory. I don't even think about clicking the safety off while drawing. So, I keep the same system as close as possible with all of my semi auto pistols. That said...my edc is a jframe anyway.
I agree with Doog. Safing and un-safing a weapon should be something you don't even remember doing, but it's done every time if you train for it. Now, as for a TS getting you killed under stress, I'll never believe that. It's a lack of situational awareness that will get you killed.
Most folks will not train to that level though. I'm a full time firearms instructor and see it everyday. People almost always [censored] up their manual safety. Rob Pincus is considered one of the best instructors in the world. He has had a offer for anyone to bring a 1911 to one of his 2 day CFS classes and if they can make it through the entire class with out the gun jamming or screwing up their safety he would reimburse class tuition and pay for all of the students ammo. This has been going on for years and to this day not a single person has been able to complete this challenge.
Also the safety on many small CCW guns like the Shield are extremely hard to disengage quickly. The safety is nothing more then a small tab that is nearly flush with the frame giving almost no purchase to flip on and off unlike a 1911 safety. They are a flat out retarded design that will get you killed.
For almost all people who carry a gun daily, a manual safety is a very, VERY bad idea!
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