New Lower Price for M1 0W-30 ESP

[Motor oil rookie]

"then started gaining some viscosity and that also due to bad oxidation thickening"

Not sure that is a conclusion here. Quite the statement. Based on Blackstone even. Interesting. I mean are Blackstone's range values even correct? No. Show me the "bad oxidation thickening" for example.

That is the problem

 

[OVERKILL]

That is the problem

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That's actually a pretty decent VI. "High" VI's are when we see oils that might as well be a product of Fisher Price there's so much plastic in them, like TGMO with a VI over 200.

 

[Pablo]

That is the problem

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Honestly no. You are incorrect.

Now if you said HTHS of 3.07 is a bit low, I would say yes it is. And the oil is not as shear resistant as some other oils. The bit about oxidative thickening is gibberish on your part. Made up from whole cloth.

 

[Azimuth]

However, once you get into the 0W (e.g. 0W-30) territory, and forced to use a better or more superior base oil (with a naturally higher VI, requiring less vm), then the delta Noack may not be as large relative to their comparable 5W-30 or you can even gain some.

8.6%

I dug around some more. It seems that there were multiple formulations of this oil. This one is from 2013:

With approvals: BMW Longlife 04, MB-Approval 229.31, MB-Approval 229.51, Volkswagen 504 00/507 00, Porsche C30, Chrysler MS-11106, Peugeot Citroen Automobiles B71 2290/B71 2297. Noack 5.6%

And this one is from 2023, possible right before the API SP we have now:

Approvals: ACEA C2/C3, API SN/SM, MB-Approval 229.52/229.51/229.31; VW 504 00/ 507 00; Porsche C30; Peugeot Citroen Automobiles B71 2290, B71 2297; GM dexos2TM. Noack 7.7%

 

[asker123]

Stick with 0w30 ESP...it's claimed by many to be a bit better base oil than the 5w30, and therefore ESP has a bit higher HTHS value. As far as winter goes, there's nearly no difference between a 0wxx and a 5wxx.

Cam shaft lobes are wearing out. Perhaps 5w30 esp will provide Ted bit more protection over 0w30 esp in summer?
I have to go 0w30 in winter for crazy -30 deg C where I live

 

[kschachn]

Cam shaft lobes are wearing out. Perhaps 5w30 esp will provide Ted bit more protection over 0w30 esp in summer?
I have to go 0w30 for crazy -30 deg C where I live

If it’s going to help at all, you may as well use a 0W-40 then for a slightly higher HT/HS.

 

[Titan]

Cam shaft lobes are wearing out. Perhaps 5w30 esp will provide Ted bit more protection over 0w30 esp in summer?
I have to go 0w30 in winter for crazy -30 deg C where I live

The ESP Ow30 has a higher HTHS value than the 5w30. So you aren't helping yourself in the summer by moving to this particular 5w30. Maybe some other 5w30's have a higher HTHS than the ESP Ow30? Perhaps 0w40 fits your needs better. And, if you use an oil heater in the coldest temps, maybe you don't even need a 0wxx, and can step up to something with a higher HTHS than these two 30's provide.

 

[buster]

I dug around some more. It seems that there were multiple formulations of this oil. This one is from 2013:

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With approvals: BMW Longlife 04, MB-Approval 229.31, MB-Approval 229.51, Volkswagen 504 00/507 00, Porsche C30, Chrysler MS-11106, Peugeot Citroen Automobiles B71 2290/B71 2297. Noack 5.6%

And this one is from 2023, possible right before the API SP we have now:

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Approvals: ACEA C2/C3, API SN/SM, MB-Approval 229.52/229.51/229.31; VW 504 00/ 507 00; Porsche C30; Peugeot Citroen Automobiles B71 2290, B71 2297; GM dexos2TM. Noack 7.7%

Yeah those are the 3 iterations over the last 10+ years. Current SP change was fall of 2023. Noack between 5-10% is very good. I'm fine with any oil in that range.

 

[buster]

SP is the no moly/low boron/no ester.

 

[Azimuth]

That's actually a pretty decent VI. "High" VI's are when we see oils that might as well be a product of Fisher Price there's so much plastic in them, like TGMO with a VI over 200.

What do you make of Mobil 1 ESP X4 0W-40 having a VI of over 200? Would using higher quality VIIs help offset any potential issues? To compare, I looked at HPL's 0W-40 offerings, PCMO Premium and Premium+ are around 187, and Super Car is 179.

 

[OVERKILL]

What do you make of Mobil 1 ESP X4 0W-40 having a VI of over 200? Would using higher quality VIIs help offset any potential issues? To compare, I looked at HPL's 0W-40 offerings, PCMO Premium and Premium+ are around 187, and Super Car is 179.

Using higher quality VII's will reduce the propensity for shear.

 

[edyvw]

On the same site, I found this for the 5W-30 ESP. Noack 8.6%. One would have thought that the 5W would have a lower value.

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0W30 still has old blend that includes esters. 5W is nee one, no esters. Old 5W blend that utilized esters had Noack 7.1%.

 

[edyvw]

I dug around some more. It seems that there were multiple formulations of this oil. This one is from 2013:

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With approvals: BMW Longlife 04, MB-Approval 229.31, MB-Approval 229.51, Volkswagen 504 00/507 00, Porsche C30, Chrysler MS-11106, Peugeot Citroen Automobiles B71 2290/B71 2297. Noack 5.6%

And this one is from 2023, possible right before the API SP we have now:

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Approvals: ACEA C2/C3, API SN/SM, MB-Approval 229.52/229.51/229.31; VW 504 00/ 507 00; Porsche C30; Peugeot Citroen Automobiles B71 2290, B71 2297; GM dexos2TM. Noack 7.7%

Yes. 5.6% one was a darling if low-SAPS oils. Numerous topics in European section about this.
Oils go through updates regularly because specifications and approvals also go through updates.

 

[ChrisD46]

0W30 still has old blend that includes esters. 5W is nee one, no esters. Old 5W blend that utilized esters had Noack 7.1%.

We still do not know what secret sauce the 5W30 ESP contains ?

 

[edyvw]

We still do not know what secret sauce the 5W30 ESP contains ?

Current is GTL, PAO and Group III.

 

[tired]

We still do not know what secret sauce the 5W30 ESP contains ?

Yeah. There was a thought it had ANs but some subsequent data showed there are none.

 

[asker123]

If it’s going to help at all, you may as well use a 0W-40 then for a slightly higher HT/HS.

going from xW20 directly to xW40 is not giving me good feeling. I am newbie in such experiments. I need the car for 5 years. It is 22 years old car with 236K kms on it. What if 40 weight oil create another issue?

The ESP Ow30 has a higher HTHS value than the 5w30. So you aren't helping yourself in the summer by moving to this particular 5w30. Maybe some other 5w30's have a higher HTHS than the ESP Ow30? Perhaps 0w40 fits your needs better. And, if you use an oil heater in the coldest temps, maybe you don't even need a 0wxx, and can step up to something with a higher HTHS than these two 30's provide.

I read several threads on this topic that ESP 5W30 has been reformulated ( less easter and PAO etc) and ESP 0W30 is better base oil but my usage is pretty simple. 6 months and max 5000 kms then why dont I just do 5W30 ESP for summer. That way less VIIs and may be a bit thicker oil compared to 0W30 ESP for the hot summer that Manitoba can bring.
For winter I would never use anything but 0W oil ( hence 0W30 ESP against the 0W20 EP that I currently run). At home, I use block heater and not a oil pan heater but back from work I have nothing and boy! those days with -25 C ( without windchill ), you just pray to havens before turning the keys. I can vouch on 0W oils . Great invention.

 

[tired]

going from xW20 directly to xW40 is not giving me good feeling. I am newbie in such experiments. I need the car for 5 years. It is 22 years old car with 236K kms on it. What if 40 weight oil create another issue?

I read several threads on this topic that ESP 5W30 has been reformulated ( less easter and PAO etc) and ESP 0W30 is better base oil but my usage is pretty simple. 6 months and max 5000 kms then why dont I just do 5W30 ESP for summer. That way less VIIs and may be a bit thicker oil compared to 0W30 ESP for the hot summer that Manitoba can bring.
For winter I would never use anything but 0W oil ( hence 0W30 ESP against the 0W20 EP that I currently run). At home, I use block heater and not a oil pan heater but back from work I have nothing and boy! those days with -25 C ( without windchill ), you just pray to havens before turning the keys. I can vouch on 0W oils . Great invention.

I think a few people have explained why 5W vs 0W doesn't matter in the summer. You seem deadset on running the 5W in the summer, so best of luck with it. The W rating does not come into play except at low temperatures. It has the same approvals, so I'm sure it will serve you well.

 

[ChrisD46]

Yeah. There was a thought it had ANs but some subsequent data showed there are none.

So for 5W30 ESP there are no AN’s and no esters either ? Not sure exactly what the real differences are but now that WM has both the M1 0W30 ESP and M1 5W30 ESP on the shelf side by side what most people will choose ?

 

[tired]

So for 5W30 ESP there are no AN’s and no esters either ? Not sure exactly what the real differences are but now that WM has both the M1 0W30 ESP and M1 5W30 ESP on the shelf side by side what most people will choose ?

I'm definitely not the expert, but that is what I've read here. No ANs or esters.

Edit: was able to use some serious Google-fu and found the reference here. PAO but no AN or esters. Follow the linked replies too for the reference.