new low for Jiffy Lube technician

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Originally Posted By: HerrStig
I had a Drippy Lube mo-ron tell me my Camry didn't HAVE a differential. The I4, of course, has one as does every other car I have seen, and a separate fill and drain for it. Changing that fluid was the ONLY reason I went there. The fill is hard to get to.


So your Camry was older than 2001?

All cars have a differential, FWD or RWD, its just a matter of whether or not the diff has its own fluid it bathes in. There is no separate differential case on Camrys newer than 2001. On the old A series transmission, the differential housing had it own transmission fluid that was housed separately from the rest of the transmission.

The newer U series transmission is a complete all in one transaxle like most transmissions. The differential is PART of the transmission. It is all in the same case with the same fluid flowing through it. You can't fill the "transmission" part and "differential" part with different fluids. All fluid for the entire transaxle (transmission assembly) is added through the dipstick. You don't need to worry about anything related to the differential. It is simply a part of the transmission.

I asked if my local Grease Monkey would put in Amsoil Severe Gear into a RWD differential on my car, and they said they have to use their own diff fluid "for warranty purposes", which is crazy since there really isn't a warranty they could apply, as in if you lose your rear end they aren't going to take the blame for their fluid type they used anyway.
So I changed it myself, and it was hard to reach the top fill oil to get new Amsoil in there, would have been nice to use their lift and have them do it. But they were morons.
 
Originally Posted By: ExMachina
So your Camry was older than 2001?

All cars have a differential, FWD or RWD, its just a matter of whether or not the diff has its own fluid it bathes in. There is no separate differential case on Camrys newer than 2001. On the old A series transmission, the differential housing had it own transmission fluid that was housed separately from the rest of the transmission.

The newer U series transmission is a complete all in one transaxle like most transmissions. The differential is PART of the transmission. It is all in the same case with the same fluid flowing through it. You can't fill the "transmission" part and "differential" part with different fluids. All fluid for the entire transaxle (transmission assembly) is added through the dipstick. You don't need to worry about anything related to the differential. It is simply a part of the transmission.


How about on an 05 Matrix with an automatic fwd? Same deal I'm hoping where the diff is part of the trans and isn't separate.
 
Originally Posted By: satinsilver
How about on an 05 Matrix with an automatic fwd? Same deal I'm hoping where the diff is part of the trans and isn't separate.

Yep, part of transmission, shares fluid with the automatic.
Reference this for a handy guide:
http://www.amsoil.com/mygarage/vehiclelookup.aspx?url2=2005+TOYOTA+MATRIX+3

It does seem like its only about the 90's and earlier cars that had separate differential fluid in their automatic transmission FWD layouts. My old '93 Dodge Intrepid had a separate FWD diff fluid, but it was a little weird in that it had the Passat-like longitudinal engine/transmission FWD layout.
 
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I think one of the reasons why the quick oil change places and related chain stores are now lacking so many customers are the fact that even the dumbest customers know that they can't trust them to do the job right, and they often times will actually cause problems in the process.
Plenty of stories on the internet and on shows like
CBC MarketPlace and 20/20.
 
I thought JL tech with no car in the bay would be filling Mobil 1 containers with bulk oil waiting for the next customer to request and pay for (but not get) Mobil 1.
 
I should add I would rather go TWICE as long on my oil and filter than ever have one of these places "service" my car. It's better than
finding they have damaged my vehicle and or ripped me off.
 
Based on the thread title I was expecting something a lot worse.
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Originally Posted By: ExMachina


I asked if my local Grease Monkey would put in Amsoil Severe Gear into a RWD differential on my car, and they said they have to use their own diff fluid "for warranty purposes", which is crazy since there really isn't a warranty they could apply, as in if you lose your rear end they aren't going to take the blame for their fluid type they used anyway.


I interviewed for my old job back at a tire shop with parts store "in the same building" but under different ownership. This is as much fun as living in a duplex with your mother in law, and having her mop up to but not over the imaginary line in the floor. Every oil change has them buy a single filter from the guy across the counter, with a bundle of paperwork to prove it.

Anyhow the service side is contractually obligated to buy 90% of the parts from the parts side (as a result of the "divorce"), and if and only if they can't deliver in an hour or two can service then buy from NAPA or out-of-house.

Your Grease Monkey tech may have been trained that it was for warranty reasons, which could stretch to insurance or contractual obligations, which in the end would be what made good on your "warranty". There are strange kickbacks and bedfellows.
 
Originally Posted By: GiveMeAVowel
I think one of the reasons why the quick oil change places and related chain stores are now lacking so many customers are the fact that even the dumbest customers know that they can't trust them to do the job right, and they often times will actually cause problems in the process.
Plenty of stories on the internet and on shows like
CBC MarketPlace and 20/20.




It's because the vast majority of dealers offer a price that comes close to the "quick lube places"-IMHO.
 
On/Off dancing & spinning the signs here to for a few years.
I drive by it often for other reasons and notice it's young teens most times and seems to have a regular turn-over, different kids a lot, like they keep firing/hiring and/or quitters.
Some look really shabby, no incentive for me to pull in and let them do an OC. If I had to, I'd go to a Firestone close to us that is fairly new. At least they don't spin signs at passing traffic.
 
Originally Posted By: Jetronic
I wouldn't call oil changers techs though... aren't they in the same league as McDonalds employees as far as skill and schooling goes?


If you want to be demeaning I guess. I'd think an appropriate job title would be Oil Change or Lube Technician.
 
I find it demeaning for the techs that do get certified, and are involved in diagnostics and repairs.

We don't really have much of these quick lube places here, but the ones that we do have usually employ much less educated people and the work standard appears to be on par with the schooling. they even accept jobs that they then contract out to the dealer (timing belt changes etc)
 
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Originally Posted By: Jetronic
I wouldn't call oil changers techs though... aren't they in the same league as McDonalds employees as far as skill and schooling goes?


That's the whole point why it is a low.

They actually are techs. These guys are regular people, not some that you should look down upon, this perhaps says more about you and your experience. They are certified or have a career path via the Jiffy Lube corporate training-which counts as ASE approval, and perhaps have hopes and dreams of moving up.

It's a blow to their human dignity to do an actual skilless task that an inanimate stick or wacky inflatable tube man arguably does better.
 
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I don't care that they have to hold signs. No matter who you are, if your boss tells you to do it, you do it or leave. I had no customers for a large part of the afternoon so I was removing weeds from the parking lot. Not my preferred work, but I can get a nice tan while being paid.

Can they move up in the jiffy lube corporation, besides becoming a manager of a service point or area? Neither require technical skills, nor does the oil changing. Are you saying you can't get a job at Jiffy-lube without a technical degree/diploma?
 
I don't disagree with you, in terms of if that's what the manager wants to do and how they want to run his place so be it.

I'm just saying I see how it is a demeaning "ask" of the employees hired to do oil changes to do. This means, it is something that would lower job satisfaction.
Versus if you buy a wacky inflatable arm tube guy.

If you have a good worker in your jiffy lube, this task ask could be the trigger that sends him off looking for other work. So perhaps the perspective is that indeed these employees are truly replaceable and easy to turn over.

Even in the most menial corporate jobs, I think though you'd find that good employees are actually valuable, and increasing their job satisfaction will pay off rather then circling through new employees over and over again.

Even if it might be an illusion, most people want to know there's some room where this job will get better rather then being reminded that it's a dead-end.
 
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Originally Posted By: Rand
Originally Posted By: HerrStig

I had a Drippy Lube mo-ron tell me my Camry didn't HAVE a differential. The I4, of course, has one as does every other car I have seen, and a separate fill and drain for it. Changing that fluid was the ONLY reason I went there. The fill is hard to get to.


Really what fwd cars with an automatic transmission have separate gear oil?

I could see it with a MT.

Also subaru with MT have shared sump diff/mt
my dad had an 82 reliant with an auto trans and a differential that had there own oil
 
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