New information on PZ Ultra composition
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Originally Posted By: buster
That is one of the first things I noticed. They improved the deposit control and improved the detergent system while retaining the very good Seq IVA performance. Throw in API SN and a Tbn of 13, and I think it's an impressive oil. At least on paper. Specifications met are a good indication of quality. This oil has quality written all over it.
The only negative thing about this oil that might prevent it from being a top seller is the fact that they don't suggest longer drain intervals. I would have thought they would go after the M1 EP/Edge oils.
Time will tell. Very reasonably priced though.
Its all spelled out in the warranty. If you want to have the warranty you have to change your oil every 4000 miles or 4 months even with ultra or PP.
Read the warranty and associated FAQ that should explain everything.
http://www.pennzoil.com/#/warranty/
That is one of the first things I noticed. They improved the deposit control and improved the detergent system while retaining the very good Seq IVA performance. Throw in API SN and a Tbn of 13, and I think it's an impressive oil. At least on paper. Specifications met are a good indication of quality. This oil has quality written all over it.
The only negative thing about this oil that might prevent it from being a top seller is the fact that they don't suggest longer drain intervals. I would have thought they would go after the M1 EP/Edge oils.
Time will tell. Very reasonably priced though.
Its all spelled out in the warranty. If you want to have the warranty you have to change your oil every 4000 miles or 4 months even with ultra or PP.
Read the warranty and associated FAQ that should explain everything.
http://www.pennzoil.com/#/warranty/
The test are run on the results, not the chemical component.
4k oil changes makes me want Mobil 1 Extended or Castrol Edge instead.
If this oil is so good why the 4k oil change policy for warranty?At least 7.5k like my owners manual says would be great.
I have about 40 qts of Platinum left so i'll continue using that for the 7.5k changes.
If this oil is so good why the 4k oil change policy for warranty?At least 7.5k like my owners manual says would be great.
I have about 40 qts of Platinum left so i'll continue using that for the 7.5k changes.
The Platinum warranty is also 4K. I'm sure the Ultra will handle your 7.5K or 10K oil changes without any problems and more than likely will handle them better. The stupid warranties are just to get a customer to buy a particular brand and change it on a regular basis. All oil companies with warranties do this, Pennzoil, Quaker State, Valvoline, etc.
Besides, warranties must not mean anything to most on here since most car manufactures want anywhere from a 3.7-7.5K oil change and everyone wants to change it on their own schedule of 10-20K.
Besides, warranties must not mean anything to most on here since most car manufactures want anywhere from a 3.7-7.5K oil change and everyone wants to change it on their own schedule of 10-20K.
I believe that the reason Pennzoil is marketing the "cleanliness" aspect of Ultra so heavily is because all they had been doing prior to Ultra being released was advertising how clean PYB and PP will make your engine. Wasn't it something like "15% cleaner" after one oil change with PYB, and "46% cleaner" after one oil change with PP? They had to give consumers some reason to try Ultra if the other two Pennzoil products did such a good job already of cleaning engines. Heck, what else better could there be after an almost 50% clean on one oil change than...wait for it...FACTORY NEW CLEAN!
Additionally, look at how hard the other oil manufacturers have been touting "sludge" in their commercials. The first one that comes to mind for me is the Castrol commercials with people getting "sludge" dumped all over them. Thinking outside of the BITOG world, those commercials will have a lot more impact on consumers than "4x Better Wear Protection", or other technical marketing campaigns. So I don't neccesarily think Pennzoil made a huge mistake in going the way they did with Ultra. Maybe it looks that way to people who really get and understand oil (i.e., BITOG'ers), but not the mass market. Pennzoil is simply having to fight the marketing groundwork that has already been laid, by themselves and others.
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Additionally, look at how hard the other oil manufacturers have been touting "sludge" in their commercials. The first one that comes to mind for me is the Castrol commercials with people getting "sludge" dumped all over them. Thinking outside of the BITOG world, those commercials will have a lot more impact on consumers than "4x Better Wear Protection", or other technical marketing campaigns. So I don't neccesarily think Pennzoil made a huge mistake in going the way they did with Ultra. Maybe it looks that way to people who really get and understand oil (i.e., BITOG'ers), but not the mass market. Pennzoil is simply having to fight the marketing groundwork that has already been laid, by themselves and others.
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The real debate is whether a person wants to pay a premium price for oil that contains cheaper components:
Obviously, PAOs and POEs cost more to produce and therefore increase the price of oils that contain them. My problem is when the manufacturers do everything they can to confuse us as to the composition of their synthetic oils and then raise the prices. (i.e. let's give it a new name -"PU")
It's not that I don't want to use synthetic oil that is mostly Grp III basestocks, but I want the discount that using cheaper components should provide.
It's obvious to many at BITOG that many companies are engaged in using the cheaper Grp III basestocks in their synthetic oils and then trying to charge nearly the same price as oils that clearly contain the more expensive PAO and POE basestocks.
If you are going to pay nearly the same prices, you might as well get the "Real McCoy."
Obviously, PAOs and POEs cost more to produce and therefore increase the price of oils that contain them. My problem is when the manufacturers do everything they can to confuse us as to the composition of their synthetic oils and then raise the prices. (i.e. let's give it a new name -"PU")
It's not that I don't want to use synthetic oil that is mostly Grp III basestocks, but I want the discount that using cheaper components should provide.
It's obvious to many at BITOG that many companies are engaged in using the cheaper Grp III basestocks in their synthetic oils and then trying to charge nearly the same price as oils that clearly contain the more expensive PAO and POE basestocks.
If you are going to pay nearly the same prices, you might as well get the "Real McCoy."
Originally Posted By: buster
Did you read the part where the Shell chemist said Grp III's have better solvency?
Where is "Ferndog"? He was the Pennzoil guy here @ BITOG.
Doesn't matter -- "paying more for cheaper components."
Did you read the part where the Shell chemist said Grp III's have better solvency?
Where is "Ferndog"? He was the Pennzoil guy here @ BITOG.
Doesn't matter -- "paying more for cheaper components."
Originally Posted By: qship1996
Sure makes the Redline oil I get for 8 bucks a quart look like an absolute bargain!
PU and Edge really make Amsoil look like a bargain.....
Sure makes the Redline oil I get for 8 bucks a quart look like an absolute bargain!
PU and Edge really make Amsoil look like a bargain.....
Originally Posted By: Zedhed
Originally Posted By: buster
Did you read the part where the Shell chemist said Grp III's have better solvency?
Where is "Ferndog"? He was the Pennzoil guy here @ BITOG.
Doesn't matter -- "paying more for cheaper components."
So the end result doesn't matter? Disagree.
Originally Posted By: buster
Did you read the part where the Shell chemist said Grp III's have better solvency?
Where is "Ferndog"? He was the Pennzoil guy here @ BITOG.
Doesn't matter -- "paying more for cheaper components."
So the end result doesn't matter? Disagree.
I had decided to put the ultra 0w20 in my wife's camry at the next oil change. Reading that it's mostly group III basestocks dimmed my enthusiam for the oil. Am I making too much of the group III vs group IV?
Originally Posted By: teddyboy
I had decided to put the ultra 0w20 in my wife's camry at the next oil change. Reading that it's mostly group III basestocks dimmed my enthusiam for the oil. Am I making too much of the group III vs group IV?
Ultra is not available in 0w20. If it was I'd certainly consider it.
I had decided to put the ultra 0w20 in my wife's camry at the next oil change. Reading that it's mostly group III basestocks dimmed my enthusiam for the oil. Am I making too much of the group III vs group IV?
Ultra is not available in 0w20. If it was I'd certainly consider it.
I meant to say 5w20. I've been thinking about both the PU and the toyota 0w20.
I'm pretty much set on the Toyota 0W20. I wish PU was available in 0W-20 and 0W-30.
I was concerned about really getting the 0w20 when the guy who does the oil changes reaches for the bulk gun all day long. Then I realized I can buy it, either from Toyota or the guy on ebay, and take it to the dealer just the same as taking M1. That's the direction I'm heading. It seems very odd that PU doesn't come in a 0 weight.
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Originally Posted By: teddyboy
I was concerned about really getting the 0w20 when the guy who does the oil changes reaches for the bulk gun all day long. Then I realized I can buy it, either from Toyota or the guy on ebay, and take it to the dealer just the same as taking M1. That's the direction I'm heading. It seems very odd that PU doesn't come in a 0 weight.
Yeah, after all the PZU hype, I'm going to try the Toyota 0w20 next weekend.
Read and re-read all the threads here and I think that's the ticket.
I was concerned about really getting the 0w20 when the guy who does the oil changes reaches for the bulk gun all day long. Then I realized I can buy it, either from Toyota or the guy on ebay, and take it to the dealer just the same as taking M1. That's the direction I'm heading. It seems very odd that PU doesn't come in a 0 weight.
Yeah, after all the PZU hype, I'm going to try the Toyota 0w20 next weekend.
Read and re-read all the threads here and I think that's the ticket.
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