New Honda Accord Confusion...

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Hi, guys.

I just traded my Wife’s 2005 Honda Accord. It was a great car, and had been using Amsoil ASM 0w-20 for 10,000 mile OCI’s. Well, the new 2008 Accord body style came out, and the two door looks sweet…my wife fell in love, so we traded. The old Accord had 68,500 miles on it, and ran like new. I ran 10,000 mile OCI’s in the old Accord because the manual called for it.

Here is my confusion with this new Accord: the engine is the same, but the car now has an oil life monitor, and a new feature that tells you when to change all your fluids. The manual says that if you don’t receive a message telling you to change the oil by the time a year roles around, then change it. So, I am assuming that with the right oil (My beloved ASM 0w-20), I should be able to run yearly oil changes with no problem.

What do you guys think?
 
I forgot to say what my confusion was! If it is the same engine, then why now the great change in OCI life? Better faith in their engine?
 
Not necessarily. The Amsoil can handle it, no doubt, but if your warranty is dependent on you changing the oil when the OLM comes on or once yearly, it could be a problem. The OLM only monitors driving conditions, not what kind of oil you put in there. You could put Autozone brand oil in there and it wouldn't make a difference as to when the OLM will tell you that you need to change the oil.
 
Should be similar to the GM system.

I made a thread on this forum recently about Honda's OLM. It seems like a lot users are having their intervals reduced significantly with the OLM.

I know of some owners who had a 04/05 TSX and were going 10k between service. With their 06+ TSX, they are barely going 5k before they get an A or B code for a service.

I would still follow the OLM regardless of the oil used as the oil type alone does not determine your service interval.
 
Mike,
I assume that you are merely overly generalizing for the sake of a public board in regards to follow OLM regardless of oil type. Some oil types will undoubtedly allow longer intervals. The resources required to determine all the pertinent information to make a good decision for that is more than most folks will expend.
 
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Mike,
I assume that you are merely overly generalizing for the sake of a public board in regards to follow OLM regardless of oil type. Some oil types will undoubtedly allow longer intervals. The resources required to determine all the pertinent information to make a good decision for that is more than most folks will expend.



Yup. True, some oil types will allow for a longer interval, but there are so many other factors that must be taken into account, other than oil type.
 
Might want to check your owners manual, think Honda like most manufacturers requires the API Starburst symbol.

Last time I looked at Amsoils 0-20 it didn't have it. But that too may have changed. (warranty issue)
 
I'm assuming you are talking about the four cylinder engine in the new Accord? Do you have the 177hp or 190hp variant? It's not exactly the same as before. There is a higher compression ratio, modified ECU for a tweaked torque curve, and specialized fuel injectors with dual probe spark plugs to meet PZEV emissions standards. The previous Accord engine produced less power, less gas mileage, and more emissions.
 
My 07 Accord just had it's frist OC went 4900 w/ 15% on the OLM. Just follow the OLM w/ whatever oil you perfer. I personely would not want to put the ASM in & then change it @ 5000 mile OCI intervals by the OLM, waste of $ & good oil. I would use the XL Amsoil until the warranty runs out & then go back to the ASM oil you love!
 
The engines are basically the same. It's just the OLM system that's new. The new OLM makes more sense than a generic mileage interval.

Example: The old TSX recommended 10K oil changes. I saw a lot of TSX's that had been driven in heavy urban traffic, and did 10K oil changes. The oil that came out of these cars was filthy, because the interval was too long. The new OLM makes more sense, because 4-5K with heavy stop and go is a reasonable OCI.

How does the OLM figure out when to recommend changes? Numerous factors such as crank revolutions, RPM, engine temperature, mileage, etc.

If I bought a new car, I would use synthetic oil and follow the OLM, since the OLM is engineered for dino oil. It usually says 0% oil life remaining around 5K, which seems to be a good interval with mixed stop and go driving.
 
The olm on my '07 Accord hit 15% at 6600 miles for me. I want to go to a full 7500 between oc, so I'll use synth.
 
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You don't know yet that there will be a great change in the OCI. Any idea how the OLM calculates when the oil is said to be changed?




I work for Honda. The OLM is new. It actually has an optical sensor that "dissects" (if you will) the oil pan. When the oil is sufficiently "Dirty" the optical sensor then sends data to the main ECU and it is then calculated with other "Raw" data. This data includes temps, miles, cold and hot starts, RPM, time, And other associated data. It's very accurate and I believe it's the best OLM available.

You should have zero problems going by this monitor and using Amsoil. Good luck with your car! It's a sweet automobile!
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You don't know yet that there will be a great change in the OCI. Any idea how the OLM calculates when the oil is said to be changed?




I work for Honda. The OLM is new. It actually has an optical sensor that "dissects" (if you will) the oil pan. When the oil is sufficiently "Dirty" the optical sensor then sends data to the main ECU and it is then calculated with other "Raw" data. This data includes temps, miles, cold and hot starts, RPM, time, And other associated data. It's very accurate and I believe it's the best OLM available.

You should have zero problems going by this monitor and using Amsoil. Good luck with your car! It's a sweet automobile!
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Where did you receive this info? I ask as it conflicts with the info from Honda:

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Maintenance Minder System and Tune-Up Intervals
The Accord's standard Maintenance Minder system calculates the engine's tune-up schedule based on driving conditions (tracked by the ECU). When determining proper maintenance intervals, the system minimizes owner guesswork about whether the vehicle is being operated in standard or severe conditions. The Accord's Maintenance Minder information appears in the odometer display, and indicates when to change the oil, oil filter (every other oil change), air cleaner, transmission fluid, spark plugs and coolant, as well as when to rotate the tires. A tune-up is not required until 100K+/- Miles No Scheduled Tune-ups (may vary with driving conditions. Does not apply to fluid and filter changes. Exact mileage is determined by actual driving conditions. The owner's manual contains full detail).




From: http://www.hondanews.com/categories/812/releases/4106

There's no mention of any actual oil quality sensor. MB and VW use those Europe I believe, or did at one point, but discovered that an algorithmic based system was more accurate.
 
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You don't know yet that there will be a great change in the OCI. Any idea how the OLM calculates when the oil is said to be changed?




I work for Honda. The OLM is new. It actually has an optical sensor that "dissects" (if you will) the oil pan. When the oil is sufficiently "Dirty" the optical sensor then sends data to the main ECU and it is then calculated with other "Raw" data. This data includes temps, miles, cold and hot starts, RPM, time, And other associated data. It's very accurate and I believe it's the best OLM available.

You should have zero problems going by this monitor and using Amsoil. Good luck with your car! It's a sweet automobile!
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Do the 07,s have this same system or is it on the new 08's?
 
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Taking the Mystery Out of the Maintenance Minder System

To help vehicle owners know when scheduled maintenance is due, Honda has introduced the maintenance minder system in these models.

• '06 Accord
• '06 Civic
• '05–06 Odyssey
• '06 Pilot
• '06 Ridgeline
• '06 S2000

The maintenance minder system shows engine oil life in the information display to let you know when it's time to have the engine oil replaced and regular maintenance done. There's no longer a maintenance schedule in the O/M. The system shows engine oil life as a percentage, which drops over time as the vehicle racks up miles. It starts out at 100% with fresh engine oil, and winds down to 0%, signaling the oil life is over. The system counts down oil life based on engine operating conditions (both normal and
severe). If the engine runs at higher temperatures and rpm, or at low temperatures during short trips, the oil life will deplete faster than an engine
running under more normal conditions. Depending on the oil life percentage, the system shows three different messages when you turn the
the ignition switch to ON (II). Here's what you could see:

Oil Life Message

15% SERVICE DUE SOON
Plan to take your vehicle in for scheduled maintenance
5% SERVICE DUE NOW
Take your vehicle in now for scheduled maintenance
0% SERVICE PAST DUE (Mileage past due is also shown)
Service is overdue. Take your vehicle in now for scheduled maintenance

When the oil life reaches 15%, you'll also see a two-part maintenance item code. This code tells you what items need servicing when you have the engine oil replaced. The
first part of the code is the main code. It's either A or B, never both. Here's what they mean:

A Replace just the engine oil.
B Replace the engine oil and the oil filter, rotate the tires, inspect the front and rear brakes, check the parking brake adjustment, and inspect several other items listed in the O/M.
The second part of the code is the subcode. It's numbered 1 thru 5 in vehicles without 4WD, and 1 thru 6 in vehicles with 4WD. These subcodes can show up in any combination. Here's what they mean:

Subcode
1 Rotate the tires.
2 Replace the air cleaner element, check the drive belt, and replace the dust and pollen filter.
3 Replace the transmission fluid and transfer
fluid (if equipped).
4 Replace the spark plugs, replace the timing belt (if equipped), inspect the water pump, and inspect valve clearance.
5 Replace the engine coolant.
6 Replace the rear differential fluid (if equipped).

The system automatically moves up maintenance items or delays them so they get done along with engine oil replacement. For example, if tire
rotation is normally done at 7,500 miles, but the oil life ends around 6,000 miles, the system will move up tire rotation. Or, if the oil life appears to
be ending around 9,000 miles, the system will delay tire rotation. In either case, you would see the maintenance item code A1 in the information
display.

Some scheduled maintenance items are independent of the maintenance minder system. The brake fluid should be replaced every 3 years, the idle speed should be inspected every 160,000 miles, and the valves adjusted if they're noisy.

And there are driving situations where a few maintenance items deviate from the maintenance
minder system. These items are affected:

• Air filters - the air cleaner element and dust and pollen filter should be replaced every
15,000 miles if you drive the vehicle often in areas that are regularly dusty or dirty (high
concentration of soot from industry or diesel powered vehicles).

• ATF - the ATF should be replaced every 30,000 miles if you use the vehicle mostly for towing or you drive in mountainous areas. This doesn't apply if the vehicle has ATF life
monitoring. The '06 Civic is the only vehicle that monitors ATF life at this time.

• Timing belt (if equipped) - the timing belt should be replaced every 60,000 miles if you
drive the vehicle often in areas that commonly have temperatures above 110°F or below
-20°F.

Keep in mind, only a small percentage of vehicle owners are actually involved in these driving
situations. All other vehicle owners should follow the maintenance minder system. For owners who only drive their vehicles
occasionally, and the oil life never reaches 15% at the end a 12-month period since the engine oil was last replaced, the engine oil should be
replaced and the oil life indicator reset to 100%. When resetting the oil life indicator, the system will flash the maintenance item code that would
have come up when the oil life reached 15%. Make sure all maintenance is done according to that maintenance item code.

The maintenance minder info is stored in the ECM/PCM and in the gauge control module. The ECM/PCM keeps track of the oil life, while the
gauge control module handles the service items. If you replace the ECM/PCM, make sure you transfer
the maintenance minder info from the old ECM/PCM to the new one. And if you replace the gauge control module, remember to transfer the
odometer reading from the old gauge control module to the new one. When replacing the ECM/PCM, if you run into any problems transferring the maintenance minder
info, replace the engine oil. The system will start the oil life at 100%.


 
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