new Caddy to get a V12

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Aussie V12 for new Cadillac
Greg Kable, The Sydney Morning Herald, 23/03/07

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Two Commodore engines will power a new super-luxury model, writes GREG KABLE.

Two Commodore V6 engines will be joined end-to-end to create a V12 engine, which will power a new Cadillac flagship. 2003 Cadillac Sixteen concept pictured.
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Just when you thought the world’s largest maker had got the message on climate change, General Motors is developing a V12 engine – in Australia.

Two Commodore V6 engines will be joined end-to-end to create the monster engine, which will power a new Cadillac flagship. The new super Cadillac is expected to be based on the same underpinnings as the Australian-designed Holden Statesman but it will have a Cadillac body.

Given that GM is poised to reintroduce the Cadillac brand to Australia – and that design work on the V12 is being handled by Holden – the car could be on Australian roads as early as 2010.

Bob Lutz, GM’s product boss, says development work is ‘‘well under way’’ in Australia.

The opulent V12 flagship draws its inspiration from the Cadillac Sixteen concept car, shown at the Detroit motor show in 2003. Perhaps GM has got the message on fuel consumption – the original concept was a 13.6-litre V16 developing 750kWof power.

The plush new sedan, described by GM as an all-American rival for the Mercedes-Benz S-Class and Lexus LS 460, will provide buyers with a home grown alternative to some of the world’s most distinguished luxury cars at a price that is likely to undercut the competition dramatically.

The distinctively styled rear-drive model will be positioned above the DTS, which is Cadillac’s current flagship luxury sedan, with a list of high-end features never seen before on a Cadillac, including the latest in crash avoidance and safety technology.

It will be a key component in Lutz’s push to provide Cadillac with a more international flavour and drive sales in new markets outside the United States.

For years Lutz has wanted a top-end grand tourer in his stable. In 2003 he told journalists he wanted GM to develop an ultra-luxury sedan, a ‘‘Cadillac Cunningham’’ that would come in three models, a V8, a high performance V8 and a V12.

Interviewed in Britain last week at the opening of a Hummer dealership, Lutz said Australian engineers are already working on the new V12.

The V12 mates two of the company’s 60-degree 3.6-litre V6s on a common crankshaft. Sources say the V12 will have features such as direct injection, cylinder deactivation and a state-of-the-art automatic gearbox to ensure competitive levels of power and economy.

Cylinder de-activation, which shuts down half of the cylinders during cruising and reactivates them under acceleration, is already available on GM models in the US but is not yet available on the Commodore.

Sources speculate the starting point for the new engine’s power and torque outputs will be double those of the current V6. That would give the engine a 7.2-litre displacement, about 390 kW of power and 680 Nm of torque.

Experimental engines created by Holden have already undergone testing in prototype cars at the company’s Lang Lang test centre outside Melbourne.

The prototypes are running on GM’s reardrive Zeta architecture, developed in Australia for the Commodore and the coming PontiacG8. The chassis has a longer engine bay to fit the V12 and wider front and rear tracks.

GM has not confirmed whether it will base the upmarket Cadillac on the Zeta platform but, given the need to spread the cost of reardrive development over as many models as possible, such a move is logical.

Sources say the Chevrolet C6 Corvette, which matches the performance of German supercars at a bargain price, provides the template for the new super-Cadillac.

Lutz hopes that argument will carry the day when he meets GM’s bean counters for a budget to put the flagship Cadillac into production.
 
If the production car looks anything as the concept car I saw at Pebble Beach a few years back there will certainly be a contender on the market. A true V16 would have been better though, in my thinking.

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YES, the V16 would have been better for the objective of Cadillac, once again being a trully exclusive American Automobile.

I tend to think that Bob Lutz, had to compromise on some things, to have it funded and GM also likes to withhold the cream, to later introduce it as an evolution of the model, look to Corvette, as an example, Z06, Blue Devil, etc.

I'm for it, but would rather see their Hydrogen, Fuel Cell, or Coal Fired, new tech concepts, on their creme de la creme, Cadillac. Just Wishing...Good Luck to Cadillac.
 
Their 3.6 DOHC engines are currently used in the CTS... the 08 CTS 3.6 DOHC makes 300hp with direct injection, the V12 should make around 600hp NA no problem.
 
Some pictures from other angles make the car look a bit better. The best pictures minimize the trash can lid wheels stolen from a low rider in East L.A. Is Cadillac every going to get back to it's position of leadership it enjoyed about 50 to 75 years ago. GM is really stuck. They have been down selling the brand and now people don't want to step up an pay the 100k prices of the high end coups or luxo sedans. And if GM came out with a new high end brand name the Cadillac dealers would have a stroke, and then lawyer up. John De Lorean had it right when he said in the 60's worried about where Cadillac was headed, that all they do now is take a Chevy, slap 100 bucks worth of chrome on it, call it a Cadillac and sell it for a 1,000 bucks more. GM's branding is like an Italian diner. You can order anything on the menu and it all comes out pasta and tomato sauce.
 
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Typical solution for pathetic domestic auto industry, more power.


No, more like needed power for a brand that is looking to make a statement as an elite luxury brand.

Cadillac is on the right track - new CTS(very awesome car), new STS, new interior for the SRX, new Escalade, XLR, V-Series....all good vehicles. A slick V-12 will be icing on the cake.
 
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Some pictures from other angles make the car look a bit better. The best pictures minimize the trash can lid wheels stolen from a low rider in East L.A. Is Cadillac every going to get back to it's position of leadership it enjoyed about 50 to 75 years ago. GM is really stuck. They have been down selling the brand and now people don't want to step up an pay the 100k prices of the high end coups or luxo sedans. And if GM came out with a new high end brand name the Cadillac dealers would have a stroke, and then lawyer up. John De Lorean had it right when he said in the 60's worried about where Cadillac was headed, that all they do now is take a Chevy, slap 100 bucks worth of chrome on it, call it a Cadillac and sell it for a 1,000 bucks more. GM's branding is like an Italian diner. You can order anything on the menu and it all comes out pasta and tomato sauce.




...and the hater/bashers come out for their daily rounds!

Yeah kinda like your "omnipotent"
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Lexus does with it's lower line, huh? "No, no, sir that is NOT a glorified Camry".
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dailydriver, what's this my "omnipotent" Lexus stuff, is it directed at me? I'm saying it's good to see Cadillac come out of the closet and build a real Cadillac.
 
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Some pictures from other angles make the car look a bit better. The best pictures minimize the trash can lid wheels stolen from a low rider in East L.A. Is Cadillac every going to get back to it's position of leadership it enjoyed about 50 to 75 years ago. GM is really stuck. They have been down selling the brand and now people don't want to step up an pay the 100k prices of the high end coups or luxo sedans. And if GM came out with a new high end brand name the Cadillac dealers would have a stroke, and then lawyer up. John De Lorean had it right when he said in the 60's worried about where Cadillac was headed, that all they do now is take a Chevy, slap 100 bucks worth of chrome on it, call it a Cadillac and sell it for a 1,000 bucks more. GM's branding is like an Italian diner. You can order anything on the menu and it all comes out pasta and tomato sauce.




...and the hater/bashers come out for their daily rounds!

Yeah kinda like your "omnipotent"
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Lexus does with it's lower line, huh? "No, no, sir that is NOT a glorified Camry".
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You do know that the earlier Lexus line was based on actual Japanese cars that weren't even related? They don't even have the Camry in Japan. IS200/300 = Altezza, SC = Soarer, etc. I've never really seen a Lexus that looked like a glorified Camry to me, except maybe some of their earlier (e.g. early 90's) models. They weren't blatant rip-offs like the Sable/Taurus or the Cutlass/Malibu or the Jimmy/Blazer/Bravada.
 
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the 16 is a sweet car saw it in person at the LA autoshow in 04. GM shoulda built it. it got 20 MPG highway too, not bad for 13.6 liter displacement, the engine management would shut down 2/3 of the cylinders during cruise.

As for the stupid reference to climate change, its nice to see that Al Gore's junk science is infecting more idiots around the world. any one whos read a little about Paleoclimatology would know the earth was once a lot hotter before man even left the caves. Anyhow the 16 is still a #@$%! fine car and even a dedicated ford guy like me would like to have one...

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They need to be talking with the guys at Daimler. Maybach has had a terribly disappointing sales year with their ultra-luxury sedan. They really think they're gonna do any better with this thing?
 
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They need to be talking with the guys at Daimler. Maybach has had a terribly disappointing sales year with their ultra-luxury sedan. They really think they're gonna do any better with this thing?




If they can make it for under 100k then yes, the maybach is over 340k! generally people who have the money to plunk down that kidna cash get somethign fast and sporty they can drive (Think Mercedes SLR, Bentley Sport coupe, Lamborghini, Ferrari, etc) not to mention the maybach is rather bland with is styling, its meant mainly to be a chauffeur driven vehicle, so it has a very narrow market.

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Typical solution for pathetic domestic auto industry, more power.




Pretty shameful to build enen an engine that big.

Environment murderers!!!

I struggle to comprehend that I drive V6's and doing my part for the greenhouse problem, I don't understand the folks who drive these monstor gaz guzzlers could even get a good night sleep.!!!

Shame on the designers, only when the auto manufactures provides it does the customer go and buy it, right..
 
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Pretty shameful to build enen an engine that big.

Environment murderers!!!

I struggle to comprehend that I drive V6's and doing my part for the greenhouse problem, I don't understand the folks who drive these monstor gaz guzzlers could even get a good night sleep.!!!





That burst of handwringing persuaded me to go get my V12 Jaguar out of storage, burn a gallon of premium fuel every ten miles, and murder the environment for a few months.

I'm sure I will sleep good at night, because I know my carbon footprint will still be a lot smaller than, um, wacko ex politicians turned propagandists.

It's about time GM gave Cadillac a V12 engine, and good to see our friends down under are doing the development. I'm sure it will be a great engine.
 
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